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Wow- There are a lot of people (Fedupwithlies) who really have no idea what is going on in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas... It is so easy for people to dismiss what they don't have to see or deal with everyday as lies. The fact of the matter is that there is a drug war going on just a few hundred miles south of where we are. The illegal immigration issue is a symptom of that. We don't have secure borders... we need to fix them. As far as the constitution not requiring you to provide papers, that is absurd. Any police officer at any time can make a lawful contact and ask for identification, if you have none they can take you into jail, hold you for 24 hours while they fingerprint you and identify you. Its the law.
I find it funny that no one has looked at Mexico's immigration laws.. they are much more stringent than our own. Mexico is exporting their poverty and the illegals are sending the money back to Mexico to support families (well not enough of them are doing that, they are all too often dragging their families along with them..). I have lived along the border and seen the current state of affairs, we need to do something about it.
Go to Blog Del Narco www.blogdelnarco.com to see what really goes on in Mexico. Blog Del Narco is the online website where the real news gets published because the cartels in Mexico are killing off reporters and cops who publish the true stories. More people die a year in the mexican drug war than the war to date American casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Ranger520- I don't like it when the government takes land away from private citizens at all. Thats why I am against Eminent Domain. I don't think that the government should have that right (4th Amendment right to be secure in out papers and property without improper search and seizure). But if the VFW is not performing and/or satisfying the conditions on the deed (it is my understanding from articles past that the land has deed restrictions in place) than the land could be taken away from the VFW. Something the city may want to look into. Depending on the deed restrictions and wording (if any) of and provisions in case the land is not used for its intended purpose, they could lose the land or it could be turned over to someone else. Without looking at the deed itself I am merely speculating on what could happen. It would take a lawyer to review it to see what could happen if they violate the deed restrictions.
The idea of using Eminent Domain for a "public park" is a scary proposition.... Haven't we learned the dangers on Eminent Domain with the Kum and Go and Hospital's usage of it? Eminent Domain is a very, very treacherous legal principal that should be used with caution. I think that if the VFW are not complying with the deed restrictions on the property than they need to lose it, but I dont think that eminent domain is the right avenue to pursue.
Collection of public data and usage information is not an unreasonable search.... Remember when the entire "Twitter" Database including every tweet that was ever sent was obtained by the library of Congress? Your right to privacy when dealing in a public forum is not protected, its as simple as that because you have no expectation of privacy. There are Federal Laws on the books that require drug testing for people who meet a certain criteria, Federal DOT Standards (29 CFR 40, I believe). So this is not a new topic.... It is interesting though that you cannot receive Federal Student Loans if you have a drug conviction, but you can receive welfare.... I think that you should be required to take drug tests to obtain student loans as well.....
I honestly think that the CEO of the Hospital is overreacting to the potential clogging of the filters in the HVAC system. The amount of spoke that would be produced would be minimal in comparison to the total amount of volume of air that passes through the filters on any given day. In order for the HVAC system to "shut down" the filters would need to be entirely clogged up and the system would shut down because of heat stress from the motors and/or flow sensors that would detect that the system is having to work too hard to push air through the filters.
HEPA (High Efficiency Particulate Air) Filters only stop 99.97% of all particles 0.3 microns (1 millionth of a meter) in diameter. A Class A fire (Ordinary Combustibles like Paper, Wood and Natural Cloth) only produce "smoke" with a particle size between 0.2-3.0 microns. So the filter would be effective for 90% of the smoke that goes through the system... In order for the filter to get clogged it would have to be sucking smoke almost directly from the fire for hours and hours. The likelihood of this happening is remote.
When you combine that with the fact that the prevailing winds are out of the west the chance of overwhelming the system is even more remote. The hospital should be fine even if the college catches on fire and burns to the ground.
Airborne- Obviously this debate is going on and on with no give on either side. We both have some good points and I think that we actually agree with each other without coming right out and saying it. Thanks for the levelheaded discussion and sharing of ideas.
Good to know. I was wondering when this breaking news was going to hit the eastern slope. Glad they mentioned something.
Great Idea!!! But it is not the public areas that are in general disarray. It is the businesses and private property owners that are responsible for the bulk of the lack of "curb appeal". (not saying that all persons mentioned are responsible. But it is amazing how beautiful others places look when you get out of Craig for a little bit. Apathy is running rampant in many aspects in our community, not just in how we maintain our property.
It is not the role of politicians to be critical thinkers and to use their personal opinions to make judgement calls... They need to listen to our opinions and vote accordingly. They need to represent their constituents... It was their free thinking and politicking that got us into the trouble we are in. Congress should be told what to do by the people, not by lobbyists and most certainly not by their own conscious thought.
I enjoyed reading the dialogue between you and Ranger520 until it got to the point where you lambasted Ranger520 for being uneducated... I fail to see where that matters. Do not make the folly of mistaking Education for Intelligence. I am a highly educated (both formally and well read) individual, but the papers on the wall do not make me the smartest person in the room. The various Mensa events I have attended have taught me one thing... Intelligence is not indicative of education or career achievement. Is it a good indicator? Yes, but not always the case. I have met firefighters and factory workers with off the chart IQs... and I know many PhD, MD and JD professionals who wouldn't qualify for membership in Mensa. Hard work and determination can make up for a short fall in intelligence much easier than a lack of motivation is compensated for by an over abundance of intelligence. Remember that even if you are in the top 1% of the population in intelligence there are still many people out there who are just as smart as you.... See below:
Craig Pop: 9,000
CO Pop: 5.2 Million
US Pop: 312 million
1%- 3.12 million
World Pop: 6.8 billion
1%- 68 million
No one is better than anyone else, we are all simply different. And as far as simply standing by and allowing the government to make decisions without our input... well that's dangerous. Civil disobedience has its time and place in all societies. It is essential to the perseverance of Freedom and Democracy that we exercise our rights (especially free speech) and we continue to make our opinions known to the Government. Our country was founded on the principals of standing for what you believe in and not being afraid to take a stand even when it goes against the majority opinion. Our founding fathers took a stand against the oppressive laws of the land and give great resolve held true to their beliefs and prevailed. Granted, we are not in the same circumstances as we were then, but same principals apply. If a belief held is not worth standing up for, then it is not a belief, it is a mere opinion. I have certain beliefs that I hold very dear to my heart and am willing to take a stand for them, I trust that you are the same (Airborne... Sworn to Defend Constitution... Service Member?) and have probably taken an active role in defending what you believe in. One of my favorite quotes is from Voltaire, "The best form of government is a benevolent tyranny tempered with the occasional assassination". or from Thomas Payne, "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." TJ and John Locke also have some great quotes about government ,being a patriot, standing up for what you believe in and something quippy about the Government needing to fear its Citizenry, not the other way around.
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