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hunter (Anonymous) says…

No they should have no rule at all. They are not here to be a ethics committee, they are here to manage wildlife. If the proposed law has nothing to with the DOWs ability to manage wildlife then it has no place being created.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

Mr. Moore,

The real issue here is tyhat too many people flip flop and try to impose thier ethics on others. Just because you would not do it doesn ot mean it is wrong. I am not sure who Mr. Hampton is speaking for, but if he is letting his own personnal ethics dictate the stance of the DOW on this issue than he should be fired.

Overall the bear was determined to be the one the hunter wanted, he made a move shot the bear, end of story. Regardless there is absolutely nothing wrong with this situation. They located an animal and harvested it. Period. While many would have not done it that way… Some because they were to scared others because they have a different set of beliefs, this guy was on a hunt to kill a bear and did it. In the process he violated no laws, and at the sametiume took a potential state record.

Since when has it became the DOWs place or your place to inflict your beliefs on me and my rights? This is not your job nor is it the the job of the DOW… The job of the DOW is one thing. To manage and protect our wildlife resources while providing the residents of our state with hunting, viewing and other wildlife recreation opportunities. In no place is it meant to be a guide or rule for ethics… In no place does it state we are here to make hunting what everyone person believes it to be.

For others who say they hunt, but not that way…. Good for you, I may hunt but not your way… The main difference between you and I is that I will not say you are wrong for your choosen legal method of hunting. Just because you do not do, or would not do it, does not mean that it should be banned. That will be the death of our sport, much like the trapping ban, baiting ban, spring bear hunt ban was… At that point in time many hunters took the approach that I do not do it, and gues what we lost a major set of wildlife management tools.

In this case we stand to loose, not because of the ethics violation, but because hunters will not stand together to protect our rights.

Also Mr. Moore for ever person you seem to find crying fould there are many others in this world that see nothing wrong with it at all. Again just like anyother hunt the animal was identified as the one they wanted, they took a shot and the animal died quickly and cleany.

Good hunting and hopefully you will realize that you and morals have no use to me and that ultimately what you and others may believe about ethics should not restrict my right to hunt in a manner that is legal and is also ot going to cause major issues for wildlife managment.

Happy Hunting, I am off to go kshoot as view birds on the pond…

hunter (Anonymous) says…

 Budpg.

Way to add some really good arguments to the conversation. Surely a person mispelling words indicates a total lack of intellegence and therefore is a great reason to dismiss the arguments. Okease…

You really think that me standing up for my right to hunt is going to be the death of our sport? Not a chance what will be the death is people who continually believe in teh disney way of the world where all the little woodland creatures get along. That perception of nature and the ability of people to add human characteristics to animals will be the down fall.

As far the issue, bears will spend weeks in and around dens before they ever “hibernate”. Older are often known to have several dens pick out as potnetial den sites, they will often visit and defend the sites if necessary from other bears. There was once a den near our elk hunting camp that used by a bear. This was one of our outfitting camps down near Glenwood. On brown phazed bear was seen in that several times from late august until late November. That bear would stake out that den, and check it almost daily. I personnally saw him enter and leave 3 day in a row one season when we were trying to target a spcific buck in the area. What makes that spot any different than a pnd where they drink or a patch of berries they eat? Or any different than a spot where a big buck has been observed bedding on a daily basis? Or a patch of thick timber where bed down morning? Nothing makes it any different. They found an animal, and went to harvest it. The animal had 12 hours to be in a different spot. It could have left the den at any point, just as a big buck could walk out of its bed. The very fact that he bear laid its ears back at teh hunter is a great sign of what could have happened. Simple put the guy had a great hunt resulting in lots of meat, good memories, a nice blanket and a cool skull for over the fire place.

As I see it the guy did what every other hunt does… Locates and animal, makes a move to get hte shot, and ended up with a clean kill.

PS I know Beck and have spent time visiting with him. I also know a couple other state “experts” they all agree it is not a true hibernation. One of whom I saw today while I was out elk hunting mentioned that the bear was not hibernating at all, giving the circumstances. He just happened to be caught with his gaurd down… No different than anyother animal.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

This is pretty much a pointless question. There is no way of knowing if it has made a real difference or not. On the flip side if it even made one person reconsider trying meth it was worth it. Having lived in Craig and several other areas of the state, there is way more education about the dangers of meth. I do not concive any situation where knowledge and being educated about something is a negative thing.

Meth is a nation wide issue, and in thisd situation communities, police, individuals can choose 2 paths. One of making a difference and one of sitting back and ignoring it. I commend Craig, the community and its leaders who have decided to something instead of ignoring it like manyt other towns in teh state who are afraid it may cause a “black eye”.

I truly wish more communties would actively fight to improve the situation instead of taking an appraoch to save face.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

RebelGirl you are very backwards in your thinking. The bears are not a problem in Steamboat because we are taking all thier habitat. Instead our state has created a bear problem by limiting hunting so much they really do not fear humans at all and instead see them as a food source. This state had very few bear issues up until the 90s when all the bunny huggers came out and banned all the legititmate methods for hunters to “manage” the bear population. At that time the ability of hunters to keep the bear populations in the target areas where the natural habitiat could support was greatly diminshed and as a result the bear population expaned. Add to the fact that prior to the ban bears could be ran with dogs, which increased the fear of a bear from humans. Back when bears could be ran with dogs a dog barking was a negative thing. Now a dog barking is like ringing a dinner bell. While habitat loss is a concern for all wildlife, bears are suffering way more from overpopulation and a total lack of fear of humans.

The pendulum has swung so far that in many areas DOW officers are shooting way more bears in dumpsters than hwat the hunters can kill. Is this the death you prefer for a bear? Do you like to see the bear population so high that as many as 6 a week are killed in dumpsters at taxpayer expense or should they have a balanced population that helps to insure a better life for both the bears and the hunmans?

hunter (Anonymous) says…

As far as the meat… Gues what it is eaten and has to be consumed by Colorado Law. Bear meat is tasty nad some of the best meat out there. It would result in a fellony wasting charge if the animal was not consumed. It also just so hapopens that the skull makes a great trophy as does the rug.

Also when in our societry to self reliance, and the ability to provide for your family while protecting and managing wildlife become evil? How far removed are we from the “real” natural world to not realize that provinding your family with clean lean healthy protien is a bad thing? How far removed from nature we when we see fur as evil instead of a great textile to provide use with envronmentally friendly coats, blankets, hats, etc.?

hunter (Anonymous) says…

It is amazing to see the level of ignorance in this thread. It is typical of people who have been removed from nature and do not understand anything about what they preech. This bear was exhibiting denning behavoir. Often bears will have a couple “dens” set up and eventually settle on one for the winter. They often spend weeks visiting theese dens. In november bears are in a mode where they eat as much as possible as quickly as possible then try to save energy by laying low. If the weather breaks off nice they go back out and eat, if not they hang out and wait. Also bears do not truly hibernate, they go into a sleep mode where they slow the heart rate down and rest. Unlike a true hibernation they can often be awake in a split second if needed. So even if this bear was “hibernating” the odds of it not waking up were very slim. They can go from total sleep to kill you mode in seconds. If you do not think it was a challenge then I would like to see you walk into a small hole with a 700 pound bear that is corned and realizes that the only way out to safety is through you.

Overall people in thread show very little understanding of bears and bear habits.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

Rehab center there is a stupid idea. It is not the right building or the right place. Do we need access to e arehab center? Sure, but not there with a preschool playground in the front yard and other school less than a block. In all honesty it would be nice to see the VNA expand services and size.

More miportant that full rehab center this town needs a Juvenile Detetion Center that in part handles rehab. Simply put we have too many youth that should be locked up and getting help just wondering our streets. When that happens they only get into more trouble and eventually get in too deep.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

Once again a band aid to the real problem. Lets keep our dependancy on oil and not look for ways to create sustainable energy. I looked at both links. One is about hte pending financial crisis the other has a huge section on environmental issues.

If we want to lead the way to help slow the rate and possible repair some of hte global change issues we must start sooner than later. We need to abandon oil and come up with ways to decrease Carbon emissions. To do this we need to make small changes first. Allow individuals with te ability to set up and make energy cheaply. We need ot have solar power systems on the roof of all houses, use geothermal when we can and do it now. Not in a 100 years.

Take hollywood and the politics out o fhte issue and start looking at the science on the issue. Then start talking about what we can do, and not what we can not do. I think the vast majority of people in the world would take the evironmentally friendly route if given teh chance and it was easily accerssed. The governemnt needs to find ways for you and I to create our own power in environmentally friendly ways.

hunter (Anonymous) says…

Yep that was a good letter. But I still love the fact that one dog was attacked and that is reason to kill em all? Seriously. Look up the number of people killed by deer a year from being attacked then justify the costly removal of the deer from city limits? Like mentioned there are places living with way more animals than we have and people do not die. It is part of mother nature and we simply can not control all of mother nature. Some instances we have to let it be.

Harkner, Where was an insult in my letter? If you took offense to it I am sorry. Maybe we should just shoot me because one day my insult may hurt a child. Simple fact is we have to coexist with nature on some level. In this case why spend thousands, possible hundreds of thousands of dollars on deer removal? They will never be gone for good, and will require continous money and effort.

As pets owners we have certain responsibilities. One of those is for hte safety of the pet. If I had a small dog, especially one that was already hurting I am pretty sure I would not let it have hte chance to mingle with a 200 pound wild animal. Just some common sense involed there. If there was a chance I would do something first.