Rehab center there is a stupid idea. It is not the right building or the right place. Do we need access to e arehab center? Sure, but not there with a preschool playground in the front yard and other school less than a block. In all honesty it would be nice to see the VNA expand services and size.
More miportant that full rehab center this town needs a Juvenile Detetion Center that in part handles rehab. Simply put we have too many youth that should be locked up and getting help just wondering our streets. When that happens they only get into more trouble and eventually get in too deep.
Once again a band aid to the real problem. Lets keep our dependancy on oil and not look for ways to create sustainable energy. I looked at both links. One is about hte pending financial crisis the other has a huge section on environmental issues.
If we want to lead the way to help slow the rate and possible repair some of hte global change issues we must start sooner than later. We need to abandon oil and come up with ways to decrease Carbon emissions. To do this we need to make small changes first. Allow individuals with te ability to set up and make energy cheaply. We need ot have solar power systems on the roof of all houses, use geothermal when we can and do it now. Not in a 100 years.
Take hollywood and the politics out o fhte issue and start looking at the science on the issue. Then start talking about what we can do, and not what we can not do. I think the vast majority of people in the world would take the evironmentally friendly route if given teh chance and it was easily accerssed. The governemnt needs to find ways for you and I to create our own power in environmentally friendly ways.
Yep that was a good letter. But I still love the fact that one dog was attacked and that is reason to kill em all? Seriously. Look up the number of people killed by deer a year from being attacked then justify the costly removal of the deer from city limits? Like mentioned there are places living with way more animals than we have and people do not die. It is part of mother nature and we simply can not control all of mother nature. Some instances we have to let it be.
Harkner, Where was an insult in my letter? If you took offense to it I am sorry. Maybe we should just shoot me because one day my insult may hurt a child. Simple fact is we have to coexist with nature on some level. In this case why spend thousands, possible hundreds of thousands of dollars on deer removal? They will never be gone for good, and will require continous money and effort.
As pets owners we have certain responsibilities. One of those is for hte safety of the pet. If I had a small dog, especially one that was already hurting I am pretty sure I would not let it have hte chance to mingle with a 200 pound wild animal. Just some common sense involed there. If there was a chance I would do something first.
JDR4, I can already tell where you stand. You are for the legalization of pot. Just say it and quit being a baby about it. No matter what all drugs are harmful. Your logic does not hold up. Instead of hoping for the legalization of Pot, a very dangerous and negative drug, your campaign would be better to outlaw alchol. Especially since you seem to be such a saint and worried about the safety of others.
How can you call the war on drugs a failure? It is not, but it is not really a battle that can be won, ever. It is one that we must pursue for the good of our country, our young people and future. Drug use no matter the form is harmful and causes negative effects, even when closely watched by medical officials. Simply put the drug war has: Taken billons of dollars of cocaine, other drugs off the street. It has locked up many individuals who not only violated crimes with drug use and distribution, but also tend to commit robberies, and all other sorts of issues.
When it comes to DARE you might be greatly surprised at how effective it can be. There are students who actually take it serious. In high school the number of students who are drinking and or using drugs has decreased nationally since the 1990s. Can we keep every kid off of drugs? NO. DARE can only do so much. It is a tool for prevention, specifically early prevention. It is focused on keeping young students off of drugs. For the most part it keeps the target population free of drugs. The real issue is after the DARE there is nothing. Maybe a class at high school and few church based programs, boys and girls club programs etc. Again it is just a tool for prevention. Just like the possibility of jail time is a tool of prevention, just like sports, or family, parents. driving etc. They all have place. There are kids who do not drink simply because it is illegal. Oterhs do nto do it, because it is dangerous and harmful. Etc. The real issue I see is how people just like yourself seem to think it is ok. I did and I am fine is a horrible attitude. Or they make hte mistake pay the price. Why should we sit back and worry about recovery etc. when we can prevent it?
The whole thing is backwards. As far as the original law? It is a good idea. There are adults/parents in this town that allow parties on the property. SOme of which the parties have cost the community greatly. There are families with land who allow he kids to have parties etc. It is wrong and should be punishable by law. If a person knowingly and willful allows minors to consume alochol then they should be guilty of a crime, especially if that minor is not thier son or daughter.
Pass the law and start writing the tickets to the creeps who encourage the problem.
HEre is what the paper read in the artical I referred to. It also basically states with what my friend told me as well.
Paper: It was not, however, their career goal to see a man turned into a public spectacle and then convicted of multiple felonies. People have to stop making every controversy into an “us against the world” grudge match. The same wildlife officer who spearheaded the investigation also offered several times to come out to the Culverwells' ranch and help chase elk and hang cattle panels but was refused each time. Culverwell testified he wasn't interested in help from the DOW unless it meant he could shoot animals, the only action he felt would work.
It is this attitude that is the major issue. This is why the man deserves what he gets. In all honesty, I think the guy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. First of all to refuse help in any form for free is stupid. No matter what industry I am in, if a person wants to help me for free, I will take the help. Especially the poor old ranchers who are overworked, have multiple jobs etc.
Ok My wife is hoovering so I have to get on with my day.
I actually recieved that information from a very good and reliable source, an honest man who was ultimately on the side Culverwell until that information came to light. He was in the courtroom for the majority of the trial and when not htere had a friend who took notes. Also search up the old articles on the story. The paper released an opinon statement, that for some reason was missed by us. In that story they also indicate that testimone went along the same lines.
Freeman, For coyotes. I call all day long fomr morning to dark. If I could shoot better at times I would be stacking up the fur. Freeman The biggest issue around here is everyone thinks they are a coyote hunter, but most have no real idea how coyotes are, behave etc. It has taken me years of practice and a lot of study to get good at calling. I have been calling them now for over 10 years. Last year I harvested 32. Year before that I killed 28 and bobcat, Year before that I called 19, 1 mountain Lion and a bobcat. My numbers have been good lately. This year the rabbits dropped in population big time, hence the number of yotes fell off a lot. I love talking hunting and especially yote hunting. If you want to really get into the hunting side of it, go to a website called www.predatormasters.com in there you will find some of the worlds best callers, and nicest people. IF you want more help from me sign up and look for a user named elks.
I would be glad to provide you with further information. Just kind of hate giving outemail etc. on public areas like this.
Harkner, was the dog on a leash? Was it on its own property with some sort of protection? IN Colorado, we are a fence out state. At any rate, you show little knowledge of the subject. If it was infact a bull then there must have been a herd of elk? If your dog was not on a leash on not under direct control of voice, then it deserved to be stomped. I really have issue with all the people that believe dogs should be allowed to run free. Every morning I watch a lady with a small 10 poundish dog walk. The dog is off leash and at times as far as 1/2 a block ahead or behind her. I almost hope that little dog gets squished, maybe she will learn about propper pet control then.
I am not sure where or how you mothers dog was attacked, but if it was off your property on not on leash so be it. There is place for people like that. It is called Boulder with California being a back up.
Patrick,
ONe thing to consider. You talked about the DOWs lack of ability to control the environment. It is easy to sit sit back and say what should be done. I know people were upset about the starvation last year, but it was a good thing, especially for elk. SImply put our herds have been way over number for several years. The goal of the areas here have been to reduce numbers. Hence the ability for hunters to kill 2 female elk a year. IN my family that meant a total of 4 between my wife and I. Simply put in our situation the number of tags were not enough to make the difference, We needed something else. When I talked with te DOW they had already set a mortality rate that was acceptible. In some areas of our county they are right at that point other area they were below it. Simply put iti s hard to justify feeding animals that are over populated. Overpopulated because the hunters have not been able to kill enough.
Shooting them off by hunters does not make sense either. Hunters are going to shoot nice health looking animals. Not bone bags indicating starvation. So in a sense what the hunting would have done (if done last year while we started seeing the starvation issue) is take healthy animals out and still leave the weak, wounded, young etc. To starve.
I fully understand why people would want to remove them. I gues my reply to the stray cats/dogs is this: They are a human caused problem. People not taking propper care of the animals we introduce to the system. The deer are different. It is not the same in my mind. People caused the problem therefore we do something about it, the deer are part of nature. They are also held with a higher ethical standard. SImply put you can not go into many areas and see them like they are here. I would definitiely love to hunt a few of the bucks around town with my bow, but I do not see that being a viable option. Between landowners rights and safety concerns.
I guess we need to focus on ways to make the city suck for deer and the country better.
I will leave the PETA issue alone. This is after all a family type of place and I surely would not be able to leave my words thoughts and feelings about them, ALF or ELF in the appropriate range.
Its all cool I was not trying to be defensive, but enlighten a little bit about my situation. Freeman and others I did not take any offense to it at all. Like I said it is something I have dealt with. IN all honesty I was trying to be funny.
Notmpoppins,
I am glad you have seen a better response from the DOW recently. I have not really seen a change on my side, but then again I am not a landowner(I wish I was). I am a pretty active hunter and have worked closely with te DOW on various projects my entire life. Everything from Bighorn Sheep transplants in the Glenwood Canyon, to turkey infestation problems along the Battlement Mesa area. I originally went to CSU to become a wildlife Biologist and in the process realized that the job was simply full of political BS. I Quickly took a different direction.
Thge way I see it, is working with the DOW or any other agency/business is all about a relationship. If I am good friends with the people in charge I am more likely to good results. If I am Harsh and abbrasive with those in charge I am going to get the same back. If anyone goes a little out of the way to understand and get to know the officials, they simply are going to have better results. I make it a point to help out the officers, police or DOW when ever I can. That being said I feel that a little cooperation on the land owners side goes a long ways. I know that every now and then there are going to be issues, but those issues need to be handled in mature and respectful manners. If you look at the early testimony in this case, one of the local DOW agents actually offered to put up the pannels for Culverwell. Both he and Culverwell testified that was the case. The DOW officer even offered to access the Culverwell ranch and use use scare tatics. Culverwell stated that he did think this would work and that shooting them off was the only option. This is my issue here, there were options he had been offered ways to pursue this. Instead he broke the law.
At any rate all, I hope everyone is having a great New Year. I am looking forward to decreasing the coyote population this weekend if I have any luck calling.
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Rehab center there is a stupid idea. It is not the right building or the right place. Do we need access to e arehab center? Sure, but not there with a preschool playground in the front yard and other school less than a block. In all honesty it would be nice to see the VNA expand services and size.
More miportant that full rehab center this town needs a Juvenile Detetion Center that in part handles rehab. Simply put we have too many youth that should be locked up and getting help just wondering our streets. When that happens they only get into more trouble and eventually get in too deep.
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Once again a band aid to the real problem. Lets keep our dependancy on oil and not look for ways to create sustainable energy. I looked at both links. One is about hte pending financial crisis the other has a huge section on environmental issues.
If we want to lead the way to help slow the rate and possible repair some of hte global change issues we must start sooner than later. We need to abandon oil and come up with ways to decrease Carbon emissions. To do this we need to make small changes first. Allow individuals with te ability to set up and make energy cheaply. We need ot have solar power systems on the roof of all houses, use geothermal when we can and do it now. Not in a 100 years.
Take hollywood and the politics out o fhte issue and start looking at the science on the issue. Then start talking about what we can do, and not what we can not do. I think the vast majority of people in the world would take the evironmentally friendly route if given teh chance and it was easily accerssed. The governemnt needs to find ways for you and I to create our own power in environmentally friendly ways.
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Yep that was a good letter. But I still love the fact that one dog was attacked and that is reason to kill em all? Seriously. Look up the number of people killed by deer a year from being attacked then justify the costly removal of the deer from city limits? Like mentioned there are places living with way more animals than we have and people do not die. It is part of mother nature and we simply can not control all of mother nature. Some instances we have to let it be.
Harkner, Where was an insult in my letter? If you took offense to it I am sorry. Maybe we should just shoot me because one day my insult may hurt a child. Simple fact is we have to coexist with nature on some level. In this case why spend thousands, possible hundreds of thousands of dollars on deer removal? They will never be gone for good, and will require continous money and effort.
As pets owners we have certain responsibilities. One of those is for hte safety of the pet. If I had a small dog, especially one that was already hurting I am pretty sure I would not let it have hte chance to mingle with a 200 pound wild animal. Just some common sense involed there. If there was a chance I would do something first.
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WOW, How did I miss this?
JDR4, I can already tell where you stand. You are for the legalization of pot. Just say it and quit being a baby about it. No matter what all drugs are harmful. Your logic does not hold up. Instead of hoping for the legalization of Pot, a very dangerous and negative drug, your campaign would be better to outlaw alchol. Especially since you seem to be such a saint and worried about the safety of others.
How can you call the war on drugs a failure? It is not, but it is not really a battle that can be won, ever. It is one that we must pursue for the good of our country, our young people and future. Drug use no matter the form is harmful and causes negative effects, even when closely watched by medical officials. Simply put the drug war has: Taken billons of dollars of cocaine, other drugs off the street. It has locked up many individuals who not only violated crimes with drug use and distribution, but also tend to commit robberies, and all other sorts of issues.
When it comes to DARE you might be greatly surprised at how effective it can be. There are students who actually take it serious. In high school the number of students who are drinking and or using drugs has decreased nationally since the 1990s. Can we keep every kid off of drugs? NO. DARE can only do so much. It is a tool for prevention, specifically early prevention. It is focused on keeping young students off of drugs. For the most part it keeps the target population free of drugs. The real issue is after the DARE there is nothing. Maybe a class at high school and few church based programs, boys and girls club programs etc. Again it is just a tool for prevention. Just like the possibility of jail time is a tool of prevention, just like sports, or family, parents. driving etc. They all have place. There are kids who do not drink simply because it is illegal. Oterhs do nto do it, because it is dangerous and harmful. Etc. The real issue I see is how people just like yourself seem to think it is ok. I did and I am fine is a horrible attitude. Or they make hte mistake pay the price. Why should we sit back and worry about recovery etc. when we can prevent it?
The whole thing is backwards. As far as the original law? It is a good idea. There are adults/parents in this town that allow parties on the property. SOme of which the parties have cost the community greatly. There are families with land who allow he kids to have parties etc. It is wrong and should be punishable by law. If a person knowingly and willful allows minors to consume alochol then they should be guilty of a crime, especially if that minor is not thier son or daughter.
Pass the law and start writing the tickets to the creeps who encourage the problem.
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hunter (Anonymous) says…
This was a refreshing letter. OF all the junk we deal with, we should be working to make a true difference in our community.
17 January 2009
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HEre is what the paper read in the artical I referred to. It also basically states with what my friend told me as well.
Paper:
It was not, however, their career goal to see a man turned into a public spectacle and then convicted of multiple felonies. People have to stop making every controversy into an “us against the world” grudge match. The same wildlife officer who spearheaded the investigation also offered several times to come out to the Culverwells' ranch and help chase elk and hang cattle panels but was refused each time. Culverwell testified he wasn't interested in help from the DOW unless it meant he could shoot animals, the only action he felt would work.
It is this attitude that is the major issue. This is why the man deserves what he gets. In all honesty, I think the guy is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. First of all to refuse help in any form for free is stupid. No matter what industry I am in, if a person wants to help me for free, I will take the help. Especially the poor old ranchers who are overworked, have multiple jobs etc.
Ok My wife is hoovering so I have to get on with my day.
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I actually recieved that information from a very good and reliable source, an honest man who was ultimately on the side Culverwell until that information came to light. He was in the courtroom for the majority of the trial and when not htere had a friend who took notes. Also search up the old articles on the story. The paper released an opinon statement, that for some reason was missed by us. In that story they also indicate that testimone went along the same lines.
Freeman,
For coyotes. I call all day long fomr morning to dark. If I could shoot better at times I would be stacking up the fur. Freeman The biggest issue around here is everyone thinks they are a coyote hunter, but most have no real idea how coyotes are, behave etc. It has taken me years of practice and a lot of study to get good at calling. I have been calling them now for over 10 years. Last year I harvested 32. Year before that I killed 28 and bobcat, Year before that I called 19, 1 mountain Lion and a bobcat. My numbers have been good lately. This year the rabbits dropped in population big time, hence the number of yotes fell off a lot. I love talking hunting and especially yote hunting. If you want to really get into the hunting side of it, go to a website called www.predatormasters.com in there you will find some of the worlds best callers, and nicest people. IF you want more help from me sign up and look for a user named elks.
I would be glad to provide you with further information. Just kind of hate giving outemail etc. on public areas like this.
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Harkner, was the dog on a leash? Was it on its own property with some sort of protection? IN Colorado, we are a fence out state. At any rate, you show little knowledge of the subject. If it was infact a bull then there must have been a herd of elk? If your dog was not on a leash on not under direct control of voice, then it deserved to be stomped. I really have issue with all the people that believe dogs should be allowed to run free. Every morning I watch a lady with a small 10 poundish dog walk. The dog is off leash and at times as far as 1/2 a block ahead or behind her. I almost hope that little dog gets squished, maybe she will learn about propper pet control then.
I am not sure where or how you mothers dog was attacked, but if it was off your property on not on leash so be it. There is place for people like that. It is called Boulder with California being a back up.
Patrick,
ONe thing to consider. You talked about the DOWs lack of ability to control the environment. It is easy to sit sit back and say what should be done. I know people were upset about the starvation last year, but it was a good thing, especially for elk. SImply put our herds have been way over number for several years. The goal of the areas here have been to reduce numbers. Hence the ability for hunters to kill 2 female elk a year. IN my family that meant a total of 4 between my wife and I. Simply put in our situation the number of tags were not enough to make the difference, We needed something else. When I talked with te DOW they had already set a mortality rate that was acceptible. In some areas of our county they are right at that point other area they were below it. Simply put iti s hard to justify feeding animals that are over populated. Overpopulated because the hunters have not been able to kill enough.
Shooting them off by hunters does not make sense either. Hunters are going to shoot nice health looking animals. Not bone bags indicating starvation. So in a sense what the hunting would have done (if done last year while we started seeing the starvation issue) is take healthy animals out and still leave the weak, wounded, young etc. To starve.
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Patrick,
I fully understand why people would want to remove them. I gues my reply to the stray cats/dogs is this: They are a human caused problem. People not taking propper care of the animals we introduce to the system. The deer are different. It is not the same in my mind. People caused the problem therefore we do something about it, the deer are part of nature. They are also held with a higher ethical standard. SImply put you can not go into many areas and see them like they are here. I would definitiely love to hunt a few of the bucks around town with my bow, but I do not see that being a viable option. Between landowners rights and safety concerns.
I guess we need to focus on ways to make the city suck for deer and the country better.
I will leave the PETA issue alone. This is after all a family type of place and I surely would not be able to leave my words thoughts and feelings about them, ALF or ELF in the appropriate range.
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Its all cool I was not trying to be defensive, but enlighten a little bit about my situation. Freeman and others I did not take any offense to it at all. Like I said it is something I have dealt with. IN all honesty I was trying to be funny.
Notmpoppins,
I am glad you have seen a better response from the DOW recently. I have not really seen a change on my side, but then again I am not a landowner(I wish I was). I am a pretty active hunter and have worked closely with te DOW on various projects my entire life. Everything from Bighorn Sheep transplants in the Glenwood Canyon, to turkey infestation problems along the Battlement Mesa area. I originally went to CSU to become a wildlife Biologist and in the process realized that the job was simply full of political BS. I Quickly took a different direction.
Thge way I see it, is working with the DOW or any other agency/business is all about a relationship. If I am good friends with the people in charge I am more likely to good results. If I am Harsh and abbrasive with those in charge I am going to get the same back. If anyone goes a little out of the way to understand and get to know the officials, they simply are going to have better results. I make it a point to help out the officers, police or DOW when ever I can. That being said I feel that a little cooperation on the land owners side goes a long ways. I know that every now and then there are going to be issues, but those issues need to be handled in mature and respectful manners. If you look at the early testimony in this case, one of the local DOW agents actually offered to put up the pannels for Culverwell. Both he and Culverwell testified that was the case. The DOW officer even offered to access the Culverwell ranch and use use scare tatics. Culverwell stated that he did think this would work and that shooting them off was the only option. This is my issue here, there were options he had been offered ways to pursue this. Instead he broke the law.
At any rate all, I hope everyone is having a great New Year. I am looking forward to decreasing the coyote population this weekend if I have any luck calling.