To yampa78: If it weren't for the safety aspect of this situation, I would be very happy to “let every one else do what they want to do”. But there are too many people that drive in this town that haven't the slightest idea what they are doing when they get inside a car. Also there are people that for some unknown reason choose to walk and jog in the street when there is a sidewalk or side street 20 feet away. Then there are the people on bikes that can't seem to obey any traffic laws at all. All three of these things also occur in the winter when the roads are slick, and at night when it is dark. There are enough things for me to look out for as it is now, I do not want to see anything else creating any more possible accidents. And I for sure don't want to be the one that hits one of these atv toys because someone did not see me coming, and tried to make it across US 40. I f these reasons aren't enough for you then I think you are wearing blinders.
To bwhite: I am making that choice for myself. That is why I am totally opposed to this atv business, and why it is and always will be a bad idea. You can choose to make the decision to ride your atv where it is appropriate to do so. That place is NOT on the city streets.
To bwhite: Unless the charge to ride on the street is $500.00+ it is not enough to suit me. No arguement you can make will sway my opinion that these things have no business on the city streets. I must agree with JAHM, exactly right on the mark. This entire atv ordinance deal is about one thing and one thing only. People that want to have thier play time/fun time on the city streets. The streets are no place for play time/fun time. They are the place for business of driving. Which is a serious business, and has no room for play time/ fun time. Play time/ fun time belongs off the road, out in the boonies.
To bwhite: I think your idea of respond in an adult manner, and a productive debate, means to agree with you. Anytime someone says anything bad about this, you also argue with some passion, just as I do. Just because a person has a different opinion from yours does not mean they are contraversial. And legitimate questions, must mean ones that you can answer, right?. Just because a person calls something that is silly and stupid, because that is exactly what they mean, does not mean they are not responding in an adult manner. It mearly shows that they are using thier descriptive powers to explain thier feelings. I have not called anbody names, or threatened anyone, I have mearly ststed my opinion with some passion. If that is what you call not being adult, then I think you should stay out of this, because to me that says that you are the one acting in a non adult manner.
I heard someone make the statement that atv's were built for street use. Funny, I have never seen an advertisement showing one on a street. Every ad I ever saw showed them out in the boonies.
I don't understand how anyone can compare an atv being on a city street to a motorcycle being on a city street. First: A motorcycle is a vehicle recognized by the DMV and the DOT as a vehicle legal to be use on the streets, an atv is not. Second: A person riding a motorcycle must pass a special test over and above a normal drivers license to ride a motorcycle on the street. From what I have heard about this stupid atv law, an atv rider will not. Third: A motorcycle has a state approved license plate, which has road taxes associated with it. So that while you are riding a motorcycle you are helping to pay for the road you are using, an atv does not. Fourth: A motorcycle must have mandatory insurance, to cover both the rider and other vehicles and people using the road, an atv does not. So with this in mind no comparison can be made between a motorcycle and an atv using a city street. And since no comparison can be made and arguements associated along those lines are a moot point and must be taken out of the equation. That being the case, most of the arguments made by those in favor of this idiocy must be thrown out. With those arguments thrown out there is nothing left but the arguments of those against this.
To bwhite: Yes I can believe that all the atv owners in Craig will abuse the law. I think they will find the places were they feel they can “get away with it” and they will speed, go in places where they are not supposed to and act in an Irresponsible manner. It will take some time for this to happen, maybe a few months, maybe a year, but happen it will. And when the parents are not around, the unlicensed kids will be riding them on the streets. It must be OK, Dad does it, and after all I am just going down the street. Yes, just going down the street to get in an accident. I have seen these types of things before, and no one ever gets enough, then they start to do things that they know they are not supposed to do, but hey, “no one is around, I will just do it this once”. Right. Don't try to snow me pal, this is an accident waiting to happen, I just hope it doesn't happen to me.
To Eddy: NO I am not talking about Bush! I am talking about this anti-American, that a bunch of fools elected called Osama/Obama. I use my form of his name, because that is how he acts, appoints people and treats America. He should be deported to the middle east so he can be with those that he claims by his own words and actions to be a part of. To repeat: I am NOT talking about Bush, I AM talking about this useless piece of trash called Osama/Obama!
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Right on the mark David, absolutely correct!
22 November 2009
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To yampa78:
If it weren't for the safety aspect of this situation, I would be very happy to “let every one else do what they want to do”.
But there are too many people that drive in this town that haven't the slightest idea what they are doing when they get inside a car.
Also there are people that for some unknown reason choose to walk and jog in the street when there is a sidewalk or side street 20 feet away.
Then there are the people on bikes that can't seem to obey any traffic laws at all.
All three of these things also occur in the winter when the roads are slick, and at night when it is dark.
There are enough things for me to look out for as it is now, I do not want to see anything else creating any more possible accidents. And I for sure don't want to be the one that hits one of these atv toys because someone did not see me coming, and tried to make it across US 40.
I f these reasons aren't enough for you then I think you are wearing blinders.
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To bwhite:
I am making that choice for myself. That is why I am totally opposed to this atv business, and why it is and always will be a bad idea. You can choose to make the decision to ride your atv where it is appropriate to do so. That place is NOT on the city streets.
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To bwhite:
Unless the charge to ride on the street is $500.00+ it is not enough to suit me. No arguement you can make will sway my opinion that these things have no business on the city streets.
I must agree with JAHM, exactly right on the mark.
This entire atv ordinance deal is about one thing and one thing only.
People that want to have thier play time/fun time on the city streets. The streets are no place for play time/fun time. They are the place for business of driving. Which is a serious business, and has no room for play time/ fun time. Play time/ fun time belongs off the road, out in the boonies.
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To bwhite:
I think your idea of respond in an adult manner, and a productive debate, means to agree with you. Anytime someone says anything bad about this, you also argue with some passion, just as I do. Just because a person has a different opinion from yours does not mean they are contraversial.
And legitimate questions, must mean ones that you can answer, right?.
Just because a person calls something that is silly and stupid, because that is exactly what they mean, does not mean they are not responding in an adult manner. It mearly shows that they are using thier descriptive powers to explain thier feelings.
I have not called anbody names, or threatened anyone, I have mearly ststed my opinion with some passion. If that is what you call not being adult, then I think you should stay out of this, because to me that says that you are the one acting in a non adult manner.
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I heard someone make the statement that atv's were built for street use. Funny, I have never seen an advertisement showing one on a street. Every ad I ever saw showed them out in the boonies.
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I don't understand how anyone can compare an atv being on a city street to a motorcycle being on a city street.
First: A motorcycle is a vehicle recognized by the DMV and the DOT as a vehicle legal to be use on the streets, an atv is not.
Second: A person riding a motorcycle must pass a special test over and above a normal drivers license to ride a motorcycle on the street. From what I have heard about this stupid atv law, an atv rider will not.
Third: A motorcycle has a state approved license plate, which has road taxes associated with it. So that while you are riding a motorcycle you are helping to pay for the road you are using, an atv does not.
Fourth: A motorcycle must have mandatory insurance, to cover both the rider and other vehicles and people using the road, an atv does not.
So with this in mind no comparison can be made between a motorcycle and an atv using a city street. And since no comparison can be made and arguements associated along those lines are a moot point and must be taken out of the equation.
That being the case, most of the arguments made by those in favor of this idiocy must be thrown out. With those arguments thrown out there is nothing left but the arguments of those against this.
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To bwhite;
I am not convinced.
18 November 2009
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To bwhite:
Yes I can believe that all the atv owners in Craig will abuse the law. I think they will find the places were they feel they can “get away with it” and they will speed, go in places where they are not supposed to and act in an Irresponsible manner. It will take some time for this to happen, maybe a few months, maybe a year, but happen it will. And when the parents are not around, the unlicensed kids will be riding them on the streets. It must be OK, Dad does it, and after all I am just going down the street. Yes, just going down the street to get in an accident. I have seen these types of things before, and no one ever gets enough, then they start to do things that they know they are not supposed to do, but hey, “no one is around, I will just do it this once”. Right.
Don't try to snow me pal, this is an accident waiting to happen, I just hope it doesn't happen to me.
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To Eddy:
NO I am not talking about Bush! I am talking about this anti-American, that a bunch of fools elected called Osama/Obama.
I use my form of his name, because that is how he acts, appoints people and treats America.
He should be deported to the middle east so he can be with those that he claims by his own words and actions to be a part of.
To repeat: I am NOT talking about Bush, I AM talking about this useless piece of trash called Osama/Obama!