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JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Good question.

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

lol, like courts, courts in other countries you say?… out back? hahaha.
Good one. Thats a good solution. Take everyone out back and shoot em. Bury em all together like the scum they are. I seem to remember a few periods in our history where its been done… Nice to know people still agree with this way of thinking.
;)
lol. jk. i hope you are too.

All the posts are correct here. Its some bullarcky (****) that his DA is charging him with Veh Homicide and the Bailey killer wasnt, especially seeing how the two cases can be separated by the details. Drugged Driving vs. Horrible Weather Mistake. I wander which one wins out in the public opinion as the least of our concerns.

More Proof of our justice system at its best. And more proof that individuals, not the whole make and enforce laws. Unfortunately.

Is it just me or is the paper all about crime in NW Colorado now? Crime Crusaders they have become.

And yes you all are correct in thinking the media, both the Radio and Paper, wont dig for any story past a certain point because it might upset advertising, and/or tick off the people who could give you news stories and information in the future. Burnt bridges and such, blah blah. Makes sense. Too bad those in charge just cant do whats right in the first place. I know multiple times where a reporter was shut down by management for looking into corruption, and imbalanced drug arrests, money wasted by ACET, etc. Its just a fact of local, small communities. I also had the truck door of our police Chief Walt Vanetta closed on me after a city council meeting while trying to ask him questions about where money for certain programs were spent and why, then told not to continue my questioning towards him at anytime.

Good times.

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Gee, something that works, yet no money for it. Sad.

The amount needed to run these programs is a drop in the bucket for the failure we call the war on drugs. Take some money from their possibly?

Oh no! We cant do that.

ACET what about you giving up some money that you waste?

Nope, cant do that either im sure.

Gee answers are here, its just none of you want to fix them the proper way.

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

A Harvard Univ economist (along with 500+ other “thinkers”/economists) estimate that legalizing marijuana would save billions and billions of dollars in incarceration alone. That doesnt include all the other crap we spend fighting a drug no worse than breathing air in Beijing. Most, and i do mean most of our money fighting this worthless, and costly Drug War is spent fighting pot. Because it makes them money… Seems like a pretty gloomy, yet profitable business to me.

The amount of money spent on fighting Meth and other Drugs nationally compared is a joke. If we were only serious about these problems we talk about. Money is not gonna fix it…

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Who calls people who do meth or heroin dopers anymore? Dope is now strictly a term for Cannabis. Shows how out of touch some of us are… And yes, i am for the legalization of pot, because when was the last time a Cannabis user caused any harm to you or anyone?
If we looked at drugs in a responsible way, and not a “lock up up and throw away the key” approach, maybe we could get more work done, and maybe there wouldnt be multiple generations of people now who despise or in no way want anything to do with law enforcement, or much less work with them in a positive way.

Seriously though, if the last two posts on here dont say enough, then there isnt anything else to add. If you all think that this is going to stop the drinking problem, and do anything else besides create an easier path for parents to blame others for their shortfalls, or shove more people into “education” programs about how alcohol is bad. mmmmmkayyy. Makes perfect sense to me. Working with a program and a system that has failed for over 30 years now.

I feel sorry for those of you who are still clinging to the failed system. Get out and actually do something yourself, like get an addiction counselor/specialist license…

Enforce the laws that exist. Seems to me they are sufficient enough. And if you want a nanny state, go live in jolly ol' England.

Besides, t he police know who the problems are, and who is dealing. They either 1) Have insufficient evidence to do anything about it or 2) Flat out dont do a damn thing because of some reason or another. Dont kid yourself and think this towns police force is ignorant to what happens and when. They just have issues implementing certain things…

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Smooth. Granted they still uncovered illegal activity. But, once again the police FAIL in full investigation and used inaccurate information to bust through a US citizens door.

Better investigations and better policing would prevent officers from having to bust into peoples houses, endangering the public and themselves.

There are PLENTY of other ways to arrest a suspect and obtain entry into a residence. Including making a traffic stop and obtaining the keys to the residence from the suspect.

The officers enjoy raiding houses with full gear and guns pointed, and they put themselves in serious danger not knowing what they were running into when they could have just walked right in after arresting these people on the street.

Nice job, once again ACET.

PS- Itd be nice if someday instead of making better criminals from everyday people, we actually decide to address the problem with treatment. And anyone who thinks they get treatment in Jail or Prison is regrettably mistaken. Normal people learn how to be animals when incarcerated, and are only separated from the drugs they need professional treatment for. When will we ALL realize the Drug War is a serious failure. The biggest of the past 30 years. Even our new President calls it a “Failure”.

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Some good points you make also. Why do we allow people to abuse alcohol to an extent, and yet a SAFER drug is illegal and available. Just one example Shows our hypocrisy and how much damage we are willing to put up with… Sad.

Thanks for responding and having a good conversation with educated thoughts.

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

Ahhah, the “It only effects you if you do it” excuse to pass a law. Nice one. Very effective on some.

But seriously, I'm all for responsibility and making people accountable for their actions, Ive been accountable for mine. But I also know there are plenty of laws on the books to cover what is happening and it does nothing to fix anything and will only cause more problems. Enforce the laws that are there and do some good policing and thats all thats needed. Oh, And maybe split that pipeline of money funding for the drug war and other failure programs and bend em towards treatment. Dump some money into that, but that would mean we were really serious about fixing and helping people, and we cant have anything but a hard approach can we? Maybe really implement some serious and responsible education. Lying to kids in a DARE class about alcohol and drugs only works until they are old enough to realize you duped 'em. And to put more laws on the books, and to create a bigger police state is a mistake in America. Is pushes away responsibility. Once again, its not just me saying this but study after study, and more and more Americans.

I didnt want to bring them up but the community in Craig has seen a few hard losses due to alcohol in the past few years, and one incident even involved people over the legal drinking age. And I know Steamboat has had its troubles with alcohol also. And I have seen multiple tragedies and friends pass because of alcohol. So, the other excuse of “youll change your tone when it happens to you” is dry also.

I also think its important to note that some colleges are pushing for the legal drinking age to be lowered. Not to prevent people from getting tickets or arrested, but as a learning tool and a deterrent away from binge drinking. There are also many models of alcohol consumption throughout the world and what age is acceptable, and the younger the better in most places say the studies. See, it seems sometimes, when you make something less rebellious, people respond with less rebellion. (lil sarcasm and 5am reasoning)

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

I think everyone is quite clear on the definition of what is acceptable alcohol use and unacceptable. Both in binge and long term use. At least I hope our laws and society have formed those in most people. The fact thats even questioned is…

First off, from the sound of it Saunders you are part of Law Enforcement, and with all due respect I think that bias alone is enough to disregard anything you have to say on the topic. I think we understand LEO opinions on the topics. Every answer law enforcement has is to clamp down harder, and put harsher punishments as “tools” to help solve the problem. I think you have more than enough “tools” on your side to enforce the laws we already have. And enough money at that also. Just switch where the money goes to. More laws and regulation are not needed and its proven they will not solve a thing, and in FACT increase the problem most of the times.

I think most people understand or should understand the sites you posted to, Own Your Own C and anything the ONDCP has to do with are mocked in the real world and a sincere failure and waste of taxpayers money. Have you looked around lately and seen how much of a joke the commercials that the ONDCP puts out? Or those ridiculous Own Your Own C commercials? What kid/teen/adult is going to take them seriously and not make fun of them all day in school when they are shown and then create spoofs on the internet about the hilarious and outrageously ineffective commercials. AND worse, Ive already shown you the people who run the programs mentioned are beginning to understand the ineffectiveness and damage they cause and are thinking of how they can abandon them. BUT others still hold on to a sinking ship?! All this plays into how much adding more laws and putting more pressure on anti-whatever campaigns dont work, and how they are damaging down the road. They shove the problem under the carpet and are feel good fixes. The real problem is with parenting, and responsibility. Commercials and law enforcement as a substitute for parenting has proven its effectiveness. And still we continue to pass it off and make more ridiculous rules and legislation.

If it comes down to a policing job, and gathering clues to who provided alcohol? You need to prove who provided it, im sorry. But, in your scenario of the 24 yo, seems to me he already has laws to cover whats going on and pinning something on someone that you cant prove fully seems like a joke to me. There are laws for underage parties, and if you need help at policing, well…

JDR4 (Anonymous) says…

You think another law is going to stop it?

You think making someone else besides the parent is the responsible way to go?

I think that might be part of what got us into this failed attempt to fix a problem.