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Ranger520 Let's see you have gone from only going to use once a year, to this is necessary every day. Do you understand what the ISO is now? Have you called Hayden to see if their facility is free and asked when the building is available? I really am interested in your plan to allow for all training and still have people here for fires. You do realize our firefighters have their full time jobs and work some work out of town? I'm am certain the current training officer is just waiting for you to present your plan. It would really take a load off of him or her.
Let's try that again, I don't think the first on worked.
Sanders you beat me to it. Ranger520, Here is a the web site that explains the whole ISO rateing system if you are really wanting to learn something today. http://www.isomitigation.com/ppc/0000…
ISO rating are very difficult to understand and not all insurance companies use the information to determine rates. I think State Farm has their own rating system.
There you go Ranger520 I'm trying to help you all I can.
I glad you brought that subject up. I just called Steamboat Fire. I talked to the Chief. They have 25 career firefighters including the Chief. 5 part-time, 4 reserve. The pay scale is $36,600 to $49,200 for the career Firefighter/EMT. They work as A, B, C, shifts. 24 hr shifts. Around 7 firefighters on at a time. If you take even the low wage X 24 (not counting the chief) = $864,000.00 in just wages alone, per year. I also asked about training. Steamboat Firefighters are required to complete a live fire burn every year plus all the other requirements to keep their Firefighter certifications. I asked if they do this on their shift and another shift covers? He said no, they have to do this on their days off. Right now Craig is blessed to have volunteers but a time will come when people will not volunteer anymore. Volunteerism is dying all over the US.
Disclaimer: My word's and opinions are just that, mine, from my experiences as a firefighter and by attending Fire Board meeting and asking questions.
Yesterday Josh Roberts call me about my Letter to the Editor. He assured me it would be printed in two parts on Wed. and Fri. just as I wrote it. Thank you Josh.
I also received a phone call from Bryce Jacobson in the pm. He informed me two Fire Board members had attended the Editorial Board meeting before they had come to their conclusion on what to write. This was not mentioned in the Editorial Boards article. My words about the Editorial Board "might" have been a little harsh. I had based my opinion on my attendance at the Fire Board meetings and never seeing any of the Editorial Board members there. Their contention is still the Fire Board "Violated public trust" from statements said in 2006. Well, things change in 6 years folks.... In my opinion the Fire Board had no idea they would receive grants to help purchase fire equipment within the six years since those statements were made and that there would be more money in their funds. Also the two Fire Board members could not convey every discussion in the last six years on what would be the best way to use the funds in one meeting with the Editorial Board. I still stand by my support in the Fire Boards quest to build this building and still contend this building is as important as any other piece of firefighting equipment. I'm sure firefighter training standards have changed in the last six years demanding more and more training to achieve and keep firefighter certifications. Another subject that has come up in this forum discussion is the Shadow Mt. project. Do you think in 2006, the city knew in 2012 they were going to be doing this project there? If they did in 2006 they would have been trying to budget more money for that future project. Like I said things change in six years...
Mr. Jacobson also reminded me that not all members of the Editorial Board are against this building. He gave my his stance on the issue. I asked him if his stance was "off the record" and he said " no this is on the record". I'm not going to tell you what his opinion is, you can ask him yourself.
Thanks Bryce for the phone call.
The last year I was in charge of training, 2004. 22 firefighters, 1515 hrs of training. I still have some of my records. I don't think these numbers took into account rookie or Haz-Mat training. Been to long for me to remember.
Again your uneducated guess of once a year is way off.
You had better sit down, I agree with some of what you say. I have not a clue if you now serve as a firefighter for CRFPD or are a career firefighter or even retired. I have no idea how you received your training and to what extent. You are right, this issue has nothing to do with firefighter bravery. As the joke goes, Firefighters must not be all there mentally, because as everyone else is running out of a burning building, they are going in.
This issue has to do with FIREFIGHER SAFTEY. What this building will do is give our firefighters a place to properly train as a team. Now I'm going to talk to you in firefighter terms since you say you are one. To create effective plans and to work together as engine company's and truck company's, firefighters need to train as a department. To train over and over until a plan of fire attack works. What is the proper time to apply positive pressure ventilation during a fire suppression effort? Is PPV the best choice or is cutting a hole in the roof better? Ladder placement for ventilation or rescue from multiple story building. Practicing over and over. Coordinating the entry into a burning building with the proper ventilation. Firefighters being able to recognize by different smoke conditions, if there is potential for flashover or backdraft . Applying the proper firestream pattern and the proper amount of water as to not upset the thermal balance. Insider1313 you should know the consequences of upsetting that balance and how many firefighters are burn from it. Practicing search and rescue techniques along with fire suppression efforts and God forbid sending in a RIT team to rescue a downed firefighter. Everything I described is training for firefighter safety and effective fire suppression, working as a team. What is nice is this building can be used over and over again. Drug labs are a big concern, a Haz-mat situation, decontamination of the firefighters involved. I could go on and on about what the value in training this building will be.
Another point I agree with you on is.. I don't think the Fire Board has done enough to educate the taxpayers about why this building is needed and the whole process in getting to where they are today. And totally with your statement "There is too many good points that need to be addressed before the people will back this fully". I do think we will see more education in the future. As to getting rid of the Board members if they don't listen. In 20 years I have never seen people waiting at the door wanting to be a Board member. You know what I think about the people against. They have formed their opinions by rumors and uneducated opinions. I have never seen one of the people sitting on the editorial board at a fire board meeting and they have the nerve to write an article based on what information they received from who knows where. Insider1313 call me sometime, we can talk, I'm in the phone book. Are you? Doug Slaight
I am in full support to the Fire Boards decisions in regards to this training center. I made my decision by being informed and asking questions. Not being an uniformed arm chair quarterback. Do I think they have done the best job at educating the people? No. Is that their job or is it ours as taxpayers? But they have done what they thought was right. I attend almost every Fire Board meeting and sadly I'm the only citizen there. The last time I can remember anyone else at a meeting was last July. The last meeting, March 2012, was the first time I can remember a Daily Press reporter there in over a year and he was there for only half the meeting. Last April a group of people showed up thinking they knew all they needed to know about the budget and the operation of the Fire Board and the Fire Department. How can any of you form an accurate opinion on how the board has come to their decisions by attending one meeting? I think the Fire Board has done an excellent job with my money. They have obtained grants when available. Developed a working budget, stay within that budget and planned for the future. What more can you ask of them? I encourage everyone to get involved with your fire department. Attend more than one meeting and be informed before you make your decisions. I hope the media will become involved as they are with every other government agency and present an unbiased report of the functions of the Fire District.
Sincerely Doug Slaight
The Firefighter 1 curriculum takes almost a year to complete. Rookie firefighters are taught all the necessary aspects of being a firefighter. Firefighter safety, SCBA, Search and Rescue, fire streams, ladders, ventilation, rope's and knots, and fire behavior to name a few subjects. This building can be used for all of this training and more. The current fire station is not a proper training facility. Putting ladders against the building tears up the sides, the roof is not designed to be walked on unnecessarily. You can only crawl under so many fire trucks to simulate SCBA, search & rescue, hose advancement and fire streams.
I know a little about quality training as I had the privilege of being in charge of training for around 5 years. I know how difficult it is to find an abandon structure to train in and eventually burn. I know how the NFPA regulations have changed in regards to live fire training and burning abandon buildings. Asbestos abatement. The dangers to firefighters in abandoned buildings set on fire. The danger of burning a structure next to other residents. Live fire certifications became a part of Firefighter 1 requirements when I was in charge of training. We had to travel to Frisco or Rifle for the rookies to be tested. Hayden's building was just being built if I remember right. Besides rookie training there is also continuing training that must be completed by each firefighter which includes more live fire training to recertify at their firefighter level. It, in my opinion, if not feasible to train as a effective department traveling to Hayden and using their building. Most people have not a clue to the amount of training hours our firefighters achieve in a year.
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