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It is not going to make a difference what you try to say, they deem them safe and harmless no matter who is driving it and by some magic stroke of a pen, everyone will follow the rules and behave, which those of us living in reality know will not happen. I did some searching and found some interesting facts...I know it is in Oregon, but this is the result of Trauma center visits by ATV and ORMC(off road motorcycles). I find it quite shocking the percentage jump in the visits as a result of these vehicles. Keep in mind that this is off road and does not include city streets, which IMO would make the stats worse:
"Patients injured riding off-road vehicles and needing treatment in Oregon’s trauma centers
increased 76%. Sixty percent of patients were injured riding an ATV, and 35% were injured
riding an ORMC. Children (aged younger than 15 years) were 20% and 23% of patients in the
earlier and later years. At Oregon’s University-based Level I trauma center, in the years 2002 to
2005, more than twice as many patients needed tertiary care for severe injuries caused by
off-road vehicle crashes compared with the previous 4 years.
CONCLUSIONS: There has been an alarming increase in the number of both ATV and ORMC riders requiring treatment in Oregon’s trauma centers. Surgeons need to join a coalition of health care providers,
citizens and public officials to implement a comprehensive injury-prevention response to this. Particularly disturbing was an escalation in the number of children sustaining death and injury while riding either ATVs or ORMCs."
The council is not going to make it better by allowing it. People, less those of you who ride responsibly(a small minority), are going to see this as a free for all and an easy way to get home from the bar, party or whatever else besides 'running to the store" or "going a mile and a half to work".
There are hundreds of people around here who own them, 10 of you will do it right, the other 200 won't. Those are the ones who will cause injury or death to themselves and others and they are the ones I am concerned about, not you that will ride responsibly:
"The CPSC(Consumer Product Safety Commision) estimates that in the US, over a recent 6-year period, numbers of four-wheel vehicles doubled from 3.1 million to 6.9 million."
If six years ago 300 people in Craig owned one, 600 do now, according to the above logic.
For the last time, if people used ATV's appropriately, I would have no concern, the majority of people I see riding them are going balls out, no helmet, no regard for their safety or the safety of those around them. There are a lot of people in our neighborhood who have them and they are complete idiots when riding them...no helmet, flip-flops, t-shirt doing 40mph down a residential street with a rider clinging on for dear life. What makes anyone think an ordinance making it legal to ride them will change that behavior? It won't.
Those wanting to "go to the store" or work are a small minority compared to the fools who ride like complete maniacs on them, those are the ones who ruin it for everyone and they are the ones who will kill or maim someone. It is because of them that I am against this. Any other vehicle ALREADY on the road DOES NOT COUNT, they have been there for decades and therefore are exempt from this discussion.
Nobody can come up with a reasonable, common sense answer to allow this, therefore I am against this and that is where I will stand, end of my portion of this discussion.
750 Hospital Loop Road, just in case you need us. We'll keep the light on.
I do not have "attitude" about sharing the road, as an avid mountain biker I can be found riding the roads, streets and what little trail we have that is ride-able and as a driver I give room to others using the system. As an ATV driver, you would not be an "enemy", rather an ADDITION to an already crowded road system. If this ordinance is passed, I will give you room as well, I would have no choice in the matter and I'm not losing everything over hitting one of you because of some ill perceived "attitude".
As far as your big truck sitting in the driveway...wait until some distracted teenager creams you on your little ATV, that big truck might have spared you injury...or worse. I'd feel much safer encased in steel with crush space to soften the collision.
We just don't need MORE vehicles on the road already crowded with dozens of other things that we are already having to watch out for, I listed a few in a post above.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Still no common sense answer to why this should be legalized, leaving a safer vehicle in the driveway to ride an unsafe one(which was not designed for street use) is not common sense, it is not necessarily your riding ability and habits I am concerned about...it's the other guy.
I'll keep checking back for that reason.
Wow als362, something we can actually agree on.
I do not own an ATV and never will, I have told my daughter that she will be grounded forever if I catch her on one or have a report from a neighbor that she was riding/driving one.
I am NOT against anyone owning one and am NOT trying to stop anyone from riding them, I AM against them being used on city surface streets where they have no business and where the accident rate would be much higher than out in the forest or in the field...where they DO belong.
I am still waiting for that common sense reason to allow this.
Thank you kp81625 and valleylocal, nice to have some support.
MntMaker, I am sorry about your friends, no one should die needlessly and their friends should not have to witness such a tragedy. Motorcycles have been allowed on streets and roads for a very long time, ATV's on surface streets is something new, at least to Craig, so I don't view it as the same thing.
My main point is that it ADDS another vehicle on streets already used by personal cars, trucks, semi's, school buses, ambulances, fire trucks, police cars, street sweepers, mopeds, scooters, motorcycles, kids on bikes/skateboards/blades(yes, they are out in the street), adults on bikes, pedestrians, throw in dogs, cats, deer, cows, horses, squirrels...why add ANOTHER hazard to look out for in an already crowded environment?
My outlook can be changed when it makes good common sense. I'm still listening and waiting for that good common sense reason to allow this.
MntMaker, I work in a hospital, I worked Respiratory in and out of the ER for 10 years and have been in the O.R. for the other 8, when on call I am part of the trauma team that is assembled when needed. I personally knew a man who was killed recently, a member of our medical team here at TMH, and have had three friends injured severely because of them, and they are(or were) responsible riders. That example does not even scratch the surface.
That enough for you?
If ATV laws and ordinances were enforced NOW, I might have a different opinion, but they aren't, so I don't...death and disability are not the only reasons.
I make my opinion based on what I see and experience which is why I will never support an ordinance like this, sorry if that is not "credible' enough.
It takes very little to upend and roll these dangerous vehicles, I have witnessed way to many people die right in front of me because of them, some of them I know.
Why...is it solely based on "other towns do it"? What one good reason is there to allow this, one common sense reason?
What we don't need are kid's tearing up and down the streets in t-shirts and sandals with no helmets on, as they do right now in alleyways, on the Sandrocks and in my neighborhood...unenforced. I realize that there are requirements and laws surrounding this ordinance, but they are not followed or enforced currently, what makes one think they would be if it were legal to ride on the surface streets? You all know as well as I do they won't stay off of Victory and Yampa, they have to cross them somewhere..."Oh, I'll just buzz down Victory a couple blocks, it'll be OK". Not. By the time you report them they are long gone and have the ATV garaged or hidden from sight when the law arrives on scene.
I foresee another ensuing tragedy(as if there were not enough already...off road)with this ordinance only designed to appease a select few, the rest of Craig will have to watch out for another object speeding down the already crowded streets.
I would encourage the council to table this ordinance and spare the citizens of Craig, and the associated families affected, from any more tragedy.
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For some reason I doubt that they have "expressed written approval", but I could be wrong. Whatever the case, it's becoming annoying.
Thursday November 12th cannot come quick enough, I never want to set foot in that old place again although occasionally I might have to force myself for business purposes. I do feel some very slight sentiment having spent half of my life in and out of that place, but the time has come to move out of the ancient and into modern health care, which IMO will improve the overall health care in this region.
The comparison is like trading in a 1950 Packard with AM radio, manual roll up windows and a wooden engine block (j/k;) for a brand new 2010 Ford F-150, complete with GPS location and voice guidance system, MP3 player with 10GB hard drive, and fully computerized console that allows you to check e-mail, sports scores, stock market happenings and help run your business utilizing a Windows based platform.
It's built (two months ahead of schedule and on budget), it is getting stocked, and we are all orienting heavily to be ready for the first day, which is closing fast.
After opening day on Thursday, come on up and take a look, it's not private, it belongs to all of us.
My guess on the candy striper thing is that it has been phased out due to lack of interest by our youth and the evolution of HIPPA laws. Teenage kids do not understand privacy laws and the art of keeping their mouth shut, thereby increasing the liability of a medical facility. Some adults have trouble with it as well but are usually more apt to understand the ramifications of telling others about what went on with who during the day. Sadly, it still happens even with the threat of termination and federal prosecution, for those people it is only a matter of time.
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