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I have seen this mess as well and am ashamed that travelers have to see it when arriving from the north. North Yampa has actually improved "slightly" over the years I have lived here, there was a time it looked much worse. The small park and the houses along the east side(as mentioned) aren't bad and have added to the improved look. It still needs major work but sit back and look at every entrance to this town. They all could use some spiffing up, north Yampa is not the only one.
I'd be happy to help clean it up, however, I would want free access to the dump and I don't want some neighbor or homeowner calling the police to have me arrested for trespassing or theft. Somehow the city would have to get involved, clean it up themselves or let us do it with those two conditions.
I have a truck, if my two conditions are met I will help provided it is done when I am not working.
Thank you for a very well thought out, sensible post. I wish everyone would think like that but it won't happen here.
Play them all and stop being so biased.
OK, apology accepted and I am sorry about the whacko comment. My biggest pet peeve about these forums are people who think they know you when in reality they have no clue whatsoever. I get pretty steamed about it and tend to lash out when I should just shrug it off. Has something to do with the anonymous thing I guess.
Funny thing is that the whole post hit pretty close to home, you are 75% right on, not about me but someone else.
Have a great day yourself.
"david moore ???? i know about david but moore is fiction i believe…quit scratching notes on here you hear at the emergency room,,,we would prefer you do your job and take care of the patients instead ??????"
Great, another whacko who thinks they know me.
What business is it of yours what I do in my own home on my own time?
You obviously have no clue who I am or what I do...can't even get the job right. Emergency room...hah!!!
My final post on this issue is this: I have no clue why the CDP will not post the name of the accused but it is their policy not to do so, my presumption was the protection of the innocent, however, that is obviously not as important as people desperately needing to know who dunnit. We do not own the paper, therefore we do not make the rules regarding how they publish it and we do not have the power to change those rules . I will have to just live with that fact, I don't understand why everyone else can't.
I don't know what you are protecting, he's in jail!!! What are you so worried about?
I am not a proponent of secretiveness but in a town this size where people know everything about everyone, it is important to keep some things under wraps until the proper time comes to reveal it. Finger pointing, whispering and staring at victims is not right no matter what your "convoluted" reasoning tell you. I, you, nor anyone else need fear this creep because he is behind bars.
"The American Criminal Justice System does not work in secret, or behind closed doors, unless the accused perp is a minor. Of course, the identity of a minor victim is always a secret."
That is the biggest laugh of the day, the behind closed doors part that is...what planet are you from?
"What are you going to whine about when the preliminary hearing is public?….. when the jury trial is public and televised?….. when the sentencing hearing is public and televised? Huh? "
I will whine about nothing because this will be the proper time for it all to come out. In the meantime, leave the victims be and let the police do their jobs.
"The only ground that legitimately justifies keeping the accused perp's identity a secret is if disclosure would jeopardize the ongoing investigation. That is the ONLY legitimate ground. All your other gobbly-goop is nonsense."
Gee, do ya think that might be why they are not revealing his name???
"The more a couple of you attempt to hide the information that should be public, the more curious I am to know why. I don't have a dog in the fight. I am just curious about what you are hiding."
I explained in my previous post why, and that is the only "dog in the fight" I have, other than an ongoing investigation.
I have nothing in connection with this jerk-bag and if I caught him messing with my kid there would be no jail, trial or prison(except for my own)...just a funeral.
I also have absolutely nothing to hide so fire away with more of your well thought out assumptions.
Don't worry Harlan, you are not in this by yourself and no apology is necessary.
I am curious as well why RichardBarbosa so vehemently needs to know the name of the accused. What good is knowing that going to do at this point...he's locked up?
He has yet to be proven guilty in a court of law and until that is so, he will be kept from the public therefore keeping the victims identities safe as well. No, I am not related to or friends with the accused, I am just using common sense.
Curiosity seekers, embarrassment and ridicule are not what these families need right at this point, let them have their privacy to deal, heal and help their children regain some form of normalcy once again. Their childhood is over RichardBarbosa, stained by some pervert with a sick mind...you can't tell me you don't realize that the victims would be identified if the perpetrators name was made public? I'm sure the families are well aware they will have to come forward at some point to help put this guy away but for now they need to be left alone, anonymous and free to walk this city without finger pointing, staring and whispers.
You all know the benefits of anonymity right? Give the families the same respect that you demand right here.
Enough people know who this guy is, some have information not privy to the public...yet, so just be patient and it will all come out soon enough, the families will then be heroes and the zero will be gone.
The worry about him being out prowling around is mute as he is locked up and will not be able to afford bail, you even stated that fact in a post above RichardBarbosa:
"He's not going to be strung up on any flagpole. In all likelihood his bail is in excess of $100,000, and he has no one to post the 15% cash, and no one to put up their home as collateral on the balance. He is sitting alone in a cell, because accused child molesters will be gang-raped, sometimes murdered, by their fellow inmates."
So just relax, let the law do it's job and stop wasting so much energy here arguing over something you have no power to change. This guy is going to go away for a long time and hopefully the things you've said about what they do to child molesters in prison is true.
Then justice will truly be served.
Not only does it protect the victims and their families, but it also prevents him from being strung up on the Courthouse flagpole by a vigilante public.
There needs to be an island way off in the Pacific ocean dedicated to holding this type of scum and keeping them away from the normal people. a banishment to said island for life would be appropriate.
“He has got a wife and three children, and he came here in order to take care of his family.”
This seems to be the standard excuse anymore.
Strange how the other guy went to Club CAPS and this one went to prison. Gotta love it.
Bottom line is despite whatever people are doing, legal or otherwise, it is apparent that they are being harassed, stalked or spied upon by the park rangers at Elkhead.
I've been to many state controlled parks within Colorado and have never seen nor heard of any problems like those going on at Elkhead. Many of the state parks visited were very enjoyable, the rangers left you alone and we were not stalked, spied on or harassed by any parks staff.
What is making Elkhead so different?
Do you really think the old couple broke some rule to be harassed by the park rangers? Not!!
Would it have been more prudent, and human-like, to let the guy that stopped to let his dog drink (which he has probably done many times) just go about his business for 5 minutes without the need to confront him? Yes, it would have.
Do I have to buy a parks pass to stop and let my kid use the bathroom there so she doesn't have an accident in the car? Or should I also pay for a parks pass for that? No, I shouldn't.
Seriously, use some common sense.
All anyone is saying is to back off and display some discretion when dealing with the public, give out some warnings and be nice, park rangers are supposed to help the public have a good experience.
Not to much to ask from people who are being paid by the very users they are harassing.
I Never said the rules should not be followed, however the users of Elkhead don't need to be micromanaged and controlled like it was some sort of Gulag.
Reading you guys reminds me of the movie "Grumpy Old Men", and then, "Grumpier Old Men".
Are you, and the park rangers, seriously that much against people having a little fun?
If(and that is a hypothetical "if") I'm on the beach at Elkhead and my kid is laughing and playing with friends, do you really expect me to tell her to be quiet?
Is the harassment of old people, or any people, the mission of the parks department? It sure seems to be.
Don't you think instead of the militant attitude portrayed by the park rangers that a reminder of the rules or a warning would be better received than an immediate ticket, the campground stalking, or being spied on with binoculars? It's called tolerance and discretion, apparently they have zero.
I realize, and agree, that following the rules is important but the negative letters and posts detailing the tactics of the rangers, despite following the rules, has outdone any positive ones. You can't tell me letting your dog drink water from the river is breaking the law...or that they are so hard up for money that they feel it necessary to harass those who have already paid, or showing up at the tick of noon to make sure they leave...or pay? Not every human is a dishonest lawbreaker.
Craig and Moffat County are trying to ATTRACT visitors, the rangers attitudes are whats driving them away from Elkhead, one would think the opposite attitude towards its visitors would be appropriate, thus attracting more to the area.
Mrs. Adams is right, it was much more fun and enjoyable when the City of Craig controlled the lake, it was safe, it was fun, and I used it 10 times more than I do now, which is zero. To bad as my family really enjoyed an afternoon on the water or lazing on the beach. Now, its not worth being hassled because my kid is having fun or to make sure I paid...which they can check on without hassling people.
Flaming Gorge is a huge lake visited by thousands of people, you don't see the military style stalking and harassment from the rangers out there that you do at little ol' Elkhead. Might be because they actually want people to visit their lake, not go somewhere else.
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