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I would never own one of those death traps, too many people I know have either been hurt or killed on one.
I could care less if you go off road and act the fool, that is what they are designed for, I have done it in the past with some of those same friends, OFF ROAD, that's the difference.
So whats next? Carrying guns around like back in the old west? Snowmobiles? Landing your ultralight or personal helicopter on your street so you can "go to the store" or "a mile and a half to work"? Watercraft in the wave pool? Why not, give one special interest group their rights, might as well give everyone else what they want, right? Forget the citizens who will have to watch out for you(AND everyhting else already out there), forget the citizens who may be innocently hurt or killed by your selfishness, forget everyone....."I want to do what I want". Typical mentality of a special interest group, it's all about them, the rest of the citizens(the other 8,750 of us), who I am speaking of, are the ones who lose.
Leave ATV's to be used where they already are, the Sandrocks, Jeep runs, Sandwash and wherever there are less people and less traffic to deal with, which is 98% of Moffat County, the second LARGEST county in Colorado. THAT is where the selfish comes in, 98% of a large county is yours to do "whatever you want", leave the 2% of the city alone.
That ol' grandma saying comes up once again...give them an inch, they will take a mile.
Wow, standing O's this afternoon and tonight, what a great show, all of them.
Thanks to all the kids for three days of quality entertainment, something you don't find easily in a town like Craig.
So, what's next? I will be eagerly waiting.
They are designed for reckless behavior, off road, where reckless behavior belongs. Other forms of transportation mentioned in this thread do not count...again, do not count, they are already established vehicles on the roads and streets. I just don't understand the eagerness to add another vehicle to the road, especially one that belongs off of it. This will all be fun and games until someone gets killed, then what?
I implore the council to reconsider this and think of the liability to them and this city for passing it. I personally will hold them responsible as well as the user of the ATV if an accident occurs.
"I would like to think for the most part, people would be reasonable and responsible."
I would hope so to, but on a machine considered a toy, that does not happen in this city of almost 10,000. ATV's are designed for off road fun (hunting, goofing off at Sandwash) and off road work (farming, ranching, etc..), not as a participant in city traffic.
How about some stats on the towns that allow them, how many people live in those towns? I have tried every combo of search parameters to find cities that allow them and have come up with nothing. Where did you get the info on other towns? I can see it in Rangely or Dinosaur, Maybell...but not here, too many people, too much traffic and to many opportunities for a fatality. It would be interesting to get the opinion of the medical community, the ones that will have to save you and patch you up when you are knocked 30 feet off your toy into a tree or another car...or...when you plow over some little kid riding their bike. Maybe I'll ask around.
I am not even close to the type that would go sit in a stuffy auditorium and watch a play (which is actually a musical), matter of fact, if my daughter were not in the children's choir portion of this play, I still would not be going. However, after watching the enthusiasm of the kids and listening to their voices for the last two nights, I am a changed person. These kids, all of them, have impressed me, they have inspired me, and they have hooked me, they have put in so much hard work and it has paid off big time...a standing O last night proved that.
I want to throw out a standing ovation of my own to each and every one of the cast, children in the choir, the orchestra, stage crew and supporting staff as well as the sponsors, Mr. Mullins, you have done very well, I applaud you all.
Maybe it's because it was my first play ever, there have been many more before this one that may have been just as good but...If you have the opportunity (it's a mere $5.00 for a ticket) go see this play today and tonight for yourself, you will be impressed, and possibly inspired, as well.
I totally agree there is a certain risk in anything you do, but why ADD another risk out on our streets? This risk, to you AND us, is not there presently, please tell me a good reason to add it?
The whole problem is that the group presenting this may be responsible and safe, what they are not considering is that the rest of those using them will not be.
By their reason, some magic stroke of a pen will make every user behave and follow the law, which will NOT happen.
Wake up and come on over to reality, "saving gas" and reducing parking are not good enough reasons to let ATV's on our streets.
Come up with a better one and I'll listen.
I did not know him, but I always looked forward to watching him and the 'Dogs chew up the field every Friday night.
You are a champion, rest in peace.
Mr. White, it is not you that I am worried about, I believe you and your group want this to work and will do the right things to make it happen. It is the lawless offenders who do not care that will mow someone over and then run from the scene, or the 16 year old's who barely know the rules of the road in a car, the drunks who think it is an easier way to get home from the bar, it is the ones who just do not give a fly one way or another about the law.
As far as penalties go, I'd say a $1000 fine and a 2-4 point deduction from your DL would be a good start, but I doubt even that will be enough of a deterrent. Think about those who do meth, for example. The threat of losing everything they own and everyone they love, going to prison/rehab, health problems and hefty fines still does not deter them from committing a crime and using/dealing their poison that they fully well know is just that...poison. That is the lawlessness I am referring to and those are the ones that will ruin it for people like you that are responsible...it's the American way.
Maybe, and I don't really know..I'm guessing here, that if this ordinance were treated like say...the CCW process, I would think differently. They just don't issue them to anyone with a gun, they should not issue a permit to anyone with an ATV. Do you have an idea of what parameters of inspection they will look at? There are a couple killer(and I mean deadly)ATV's out on the market right now, are they going to give them the OK? Some more definition of the process might make it easier to swallow, but...with all due respect sir, I'm with als362, I am not convinced.
Thank you for the information and the websites, I checked them out. The issue at hand is ATV's, not bicycles.
By the looks of it, ATV injuries from 1999 to 2007 almost doubled, 82,000 in 1999...150,900 in 2007, my math tells me that is at least a 90% increase in the injuries caused by ATV's since 1999, but then again I was never very good at math. The death rate follows the same path, 398 in 1999, 750 in 2007, again, nearly double. This report is two years old, would be interesting to see the current stats...I don't feel very encouraged though by the staggering increase within 8 years alone. Why is that not enough proof to make anyone realize just how dangerous these vehicles are? I am stumped by the lack of understanding.
No one is "raining on your parade" Mntmaker, if you choose to be uncivil about the other side of an issue important to people, I am through communicating with you.
Redneck, gas is not that expensive(and no, I'm not rich either), not wanting to fire up the truck is a poor excuse to ADD another vehicle on an already crowded infrastructure. I do like some of your thinking regarding testing and whatnot, but it is the high schooler's who will assuredly act like fools, just like they do in their cars right now. You cannot tell me that high school kids are responsible drivers, 1 out of 10 MAYBE.
What really needs to happen first before I step off of this is for Colorado to come into the real world and repeal the helmet law(or lack thereof), that was the single dumbest decision ever made. Fortunately, someone is working on that and I hope to see some change very soon, at least someone is using their head...so to speak.
That would be a good start, then we could EASE into allowing other off-road vehicles on-road, the laws and requirements need some serious going over.
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