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"I did not know Deer were conscious of the concept of family life."
I have this gut feeling that no matter what the citizens say, the City is going to go ahead with the plan suggested by DOW. I don't belive for one minute they want to come up with a reasonable plan, they just want to exterminate now and get it over with. Thankfully there is at least one Councilwoman who seems to have the right idea and deal with them on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, from the rest of them, those against the proposed plan, and apparently PETA, are being given the ol' one fingered salute.
I can agree on a certain degree of thinning the deer population as long as it is done in the right manner, not by shooting arrows at them or by trapping them. If sharpshooters are to be used then there MUST be very strict rules that need to be followed.
If they are sick, they need to go. If they TRULY have injured someone, they need to go(staring down not counted). I feel that there has been some pretty tall tales told in some of the letters submitted lately, anything to get rid of them right? If it is done humanely, fine. No mass killing. Stay out of my yard, your bullets and arrows are not welcome here. Property owners must give permission to allow the hunt on their property. The fines need to be much larger for feeding them. I could go on for awhile but I think my point has been made.
I truly hope their plan fails miserably and the wildlife continues to find the city as their home.
Get out your pots & pans.............
"And DavidMoore, do you really want to invite the likes of PETA into Craig?"
No, not really.
I did look at their website and there is a pretty easy way to contact them and get them involved...if they would even consider it. Seeing how other towns have reasonable(note: "reasonable") management plans utilizing various tactics I thought they might be interested in the "kill, kill again and kill some more" method proposed by the City and DOW. I am not a PETA member and I generally do not approve of how they conduct themselves nor do I believe believe in their master plan, they are however pretty good at getting people to stop abusing and killing unreasonably.
Please read my post above this one, after some research I have a different outlook, I have not however changed the way I feel about this plan.
After some rather eye opening research and extensive reading, I am modifying(not changing) my stance in the argument because apparently this type of "management" goes on all over the country.
Extreme overpopulation, increased car collisions, EXTENSIVE(in the tens of thousands) property damage and sickly animals(CWD) were prime reasons for management, not because scruffy was gored for scaring them or because broom lady was "stared down". These communities had legitimate problems and are doing it for the sake of the deer, not a personal agenda.
If the deer are that big of a problem, and y'all just can't help yourselves, lets think this through a little more and come up with a reasonable, non-mass slaughter style plan to control the population that includes education and assistance for property owners on what types of plants and shrubs to keep that the deer won't be attracted to. A plan that includes harsh penalties for feeding wildlife. A plan that is cost effective to the taxpayers yet brings some form of reasonable control to the population of deer that everyone can agree on.
Craig is known for it's wildlife, we sure the heck aren't known for the wave pool...we didn't get listed in "Wave Pool Weekly" for being the best wave pool now did we? No, we're known for being a rural community smack dab in the middle of nature at it's finest and were once listed in various outdoor magazines as a prime place to hunt....deer. Personally I'd kinda like to keep it that way, I don't want to be known for killing off our livelihood, our symbol, our image as a rural hunting community.
We actually have it pretty easy, some of the towns that I read about had thousands of resident deer and it cost them large to keep them under control. Prices were anywhere from $200-$400 per deer to do this by sharpshooters or bow-hunters. Take that times the what, 400 deer in our area and you have a bill of anywhere between $80,000 to $160,000, taxpayer money. Sterilization was way overpriced and trapping/relocation even more expensive, leaving them alone ironically turned out to be the least expensive method. I still believe, like others do, that the costs associated with a management plan, whatever it may be, should come from those who have a problem and want control. I should not have to pay for something that bothers broom lady but doesn't bother me.
I just became annoyed and opened my mouth because I don't like it when people whine and then get their way. The reasons some Craig citizens have voiced to get rid of the deer are ridiculous, selfish, and appease a small elite group of people, they're not for the health of the deer or the community as a whole.
No matter what you do or how you do it, they will always be here, they will never leave, this is their home as much as it is ours.
In my opinion, live with that fact or relocate yourself somewhere surrounded by concrete and tall buildings.
Prior to the encroachment of civilization and the incorporation of a city, this area was devoid of humans and wildlife ruled the show, it was their home and still is. WE are the trespassers.
The wildlife were part of the package for building a city on the home of those here before us, are we really going to lower ourselves to a mass slaughter of them because of a couple dogs and a brazen broom wielding citizen?
I'm in the process of looking into some things, there has to be some animal rights that will fall into play to stop the mass execution of native wildlife...yes, NATIVE(meaning here all along) wildlife?
More to come......
I concur with als362's post. The poll on this site should be evidence enough that the readers of this online paper do not want this to happen. City council should take said poll into advisement and allow it to play into their decision.
I say table it until the April election and let the citizens vote on it. I don't see that happening though.
I would be embarrassed, after 42 years of living in Craig(alongside the deer and other wildlife), to say that I am from the town who slaughtered animals that were here long before us.
Leave them alone already.
What an excellent idea.
I wonder how the city would react to, oh...lets say PETA for instance getting involved in the proposed deer slaughter. As much as I am opposed to some of PETA's ideology and tactics, I would support them interfering just this once to shut the deer haters up for good.
I'd bet they would not approve of this nonsense one bit.
I can hear the gears turning already.........
I'd be interested to see her pictures.
I swear the old hospital is haunted, had many creepy nights there...doors slamming when nobody was around, voices, lights that were turned off coming back on... yes I was tired those nights but some things were pretty obvious.
It takes a pretty narrow mind to believe conscious human existence is the only life that is real.
Very interesting indeed.
Cats ARE a problem in Craig and Frank is probably tired of cleaning up after them and putting up with the males spraying their foul stench on everything.
If your cat comes home with pink fur on it's butt, it's been in my yard. If you see a deer with a pink splotch on it's backside, it's been in my yard.
Paintball guns are great for keeping your property cat, and even deer, free. It's non-lethal and water soluble so it washes off easily, the sting from one though has kept the cats wondering when the next one is coming. Hopefully they are learning which house to stay away from. The deer seem a little more stubborn so I may have to crank up the velocity a little bit. Luckily the deer don't come around near as much as the darned cats do.
Before I get chastised for being cruel, I own a cat. She is fat and happy and lives indoors so as not to bother anyone else. If more cat owners would keep their pets indoors, or on a leash, we would not be contributing to this thread right now would we?
Maybe we should vote on it, add it to the ballot for next election(too late for this one).
I'm all for als362's idea, make those who want them gone pay for it, why should I pay for something not affecting me.
I am not bothered by the deer, they come, they go, they eat, they leave their poop, no big deal...and we have a lot of them in our neighborhood. My wife was sitting out on the porch swing last month and had one come within 3 feet of her. Despite startling it, the deer ran off, it did not charge or "stare her down". Dogs that get stomped are a threat to them and if out in the county, the dog would be shot, not the deer. Don't want your little dog stomped, don't let it out to bother or "sic" the deer. Craig is known for it's wildlife and while most would not travel here just to see the deer and elk, visitors from big cities enjoy and are amazed by them, they don't have wildlife in their backyards like we do.
On that note, if you hunt the deer and get rid of them, Craig will need to take the entrance sign down with the Elk on it, don't want to be hypocritical or confuse the visitors now do we?
I ride my bike all over town and encounter them many times, they run, they don't charge me or "stand me down". If you threaten them they have a right to "stand you down". While out riding with the kid one day I did see some lady putting feed in buckets out by a tree on the corner of 7th and Taylor, the deer came in droves, this is why they are here, easy food source. High fines for feeding would curb that. If a Sonic was built out in the middle of nowhere and gave out free food, you can bet a small town would pop up around it sooner or later. If you feed the deer and don't make them forage on their own, of course they are going to hang around, why wouldn't they? My summation as to why they are here is that too many people feed them, consciously or not. By having delicacy style flowers and plants you are inviting them to come over for dinner, if you feed them, well, your part of the problem as much as the deer are.
I am against the hunt, of any kind, simply because I don't want to see some kid, or adult, on the operating room table with an arrow in their chest or from a bullet wound from some "marksmen" who missed. If they are going to hunt them on the outside perimeter of town, fine, just not inside the city or neighborhoods.
Common sense is obviously not ruling with this notion, then again, when does it in this town?
I agree with the above posters and would not support a change in the policy. My kid goes out, in fact insists on it, even when it is colder than 10 degrees. As long as she has the proper attire on, it's not a problem.
I wonder how long the author of the letter has lived in Craig? SoCal transplant maybe?
Heck, I'll wear shorts until it goes below 0, I hate pants.
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