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That is a pretty good read xrsareus, even though it is 16 years old.
Still makes a lot of sense and I encourage every single reader, poster and person for/against the DOW/City plan to read it...just substitute the town names for "Craig, Maybell, Hayden" or whatever town name fits this region.
Thanks for that, good stuff.
Plus als362, those eastern states have a very high prevalence of Lyme disease which is what prompts them to take action.
See this map for Lyme disease prevalence in the U.S.:
Also, their urban deer populations in some areas of those eastern states are in the thousands while we are dealing with MAYBE 400-500 here.
I searched things like "urban deer management" and "urban deer control". Not once did I run across a set plan such as Craig's idea to exterminate large groups of them...they consisted of well thought out management plans to control the population, which I can agree with.
Control being the keyword here. Mass trapping/killing is not control, it is a knee-jerk reaction to a minority of the towns population.
Craig is stepping on the rock in deep water with both feet instead of testing it with one.
51 letters & e-mails against the "plan"
187 petition signatures against the "plan"
70+ e-mails from PETA members against the "plan"(or at least the cruelty of bow-hunting)
351 Daily Press Readers opposed to the "plan"
=659 of those against mass trapping, slaughter and execution of the NATIVE deer.
50 people who attended the first meeting and demanded this "plan".
17 letters/e-mails in favor of the "plan".
144 for the plan on the reader poll
1 mayor and 3-4 councilpersons in favor of it(I'm guessing, we haven't heard much from them)
=215 people who want to exterminate the NATIVE deer.
If it were an election and we voted on this nonsense, the DOW/City plan, not the deer, would be exterminated.
The ONLY sensible plan, as suggested by another poster, is to make those that want the deer removed pay for it themselves.
Hopefully city council will see that the majority has spoken and will rule against this plan and come up with something reasonable other than outright extermination.
I don't think we are against control, but we are against outright mass trapping/killing and neighborhood bow-hunting. Safety first and that method is not safe for an urban area.
My suggestion is for those on the council to do some Google searching and studying of what other towns have done before making a firm decision.
Dawgs sink the sailors boat, 42-8.
Finally after 6 years.
Excellent game....way to go guys.
Be sure to attend, this is bound to be one of the best games this season.
"I did not know Deer were conscious of the concept of family life."
I have this gut feeling that no matter what the citizens say, the City is going to go ahead with the plan suggested by DOW. I don't belive for one minute they want to come up with a reasonable plan, they just want to exterminate now and get it over with. Thankfully there is at least one Councilwoman who seems to have the right idea and deal with them on a case-by-case basis. Otherwise, from the rest of them, those against the proposed plan, and apparently PETA, are being given the ol' one fingered salute.
I can agree on a certain degree of thinning the deer population as long as it is done in the right manner, not by shooting arrows at them or by trapping them. If sharpshooters are to be used then there MUST be very strict rules that need to be followed.
If they are sick, they need to go. If they TRULY have injured someone, they need to go(staring down not counted). I feel that there has been some pretty tall tales told in some of the letters submitted lately, anything to get rid of them right? If it is done humanely, fine. No mass killing. Stay out of my yard, your bullets and arrows are not welcome here. Property owners must give permission to allow the hunt on their property. The fines need to be much larger for feeding them. I could go on for awhile but I think my point has been made.
I truly hope their plan fails miserably and the wildlife continues to find the city as their home.
Get out your pots & pans.............
"And DavidMoore, do you really want to invite the likes of PETA into Craig?"
No, not really.
I did look at their website and there is a pretty easy way to contact them and get them involved...if they would even consider it. Seeing how other towns have reasonable(note: "reasonable") management plans utilizing various tactics I thought they might be interested in the "kill, kill again and kill some more" method proposed by the City and DOW. I am not a PETA member and I generally do not approve of how they conduct themselves nor do I believe believe in their master plan, they are however pretty good at getting people to stop abusing and killing unreasonably.
Please read my post above this one, after some research I have a different outlook, I have not however changed the way I feel about this plan.
After some rather eye opening research and extensive reading, I am modifying(not changing) my stance in the argument because apparently this type of "management" goes on all over the country.
Extreme overpopulation, increased car collisions, EXTENSIVE(in the tens of thousands) property damage and sickly animals(CWD) were prime reasons for management, not because scruffy was gored for scaring them or because broom lady was "stared down". These communities had legitimate problems and are doing it for the sake of the deer, not a personal agenda.
If the deer are that big of a problem, and y'all just can't help yourselves, lets think this through a little more and come up with a reasonable, non-mass slaughter style plan to control the population that includes education and assistance for property owners on what types of plants and shrubs to keep that the deer won't be attracted to. A plan that includes harsh penalties for feeding wildlife. A plan that is cost effective to the taxpayers yet brings some form of reasonable control to the population of deer that everyone can agree on.
Craig is known for it's wildlife, we sure the heck aren't known for the wave pool...we didn't get listed in "Wave Pool Weekly" for being the best wave pool now did we? No, we're known for being a rural community smack dab in the middle of nature at it's finest and were once listed in various outdoor magazines as a prime place to hunt....deer. Personally I'd kinda like to keep it that way, I don't want to be known for killing off our livelihood, our symbol, our image as a rural hunting community.
We actually have it pretty easy, some of the towns that I read about had thousands of resident deer and it cost them large to keep them under control. Prices were anywhere from $200-$400 per deer to do this by sharpshooters or bow-hunters. Take that times the what, 400 deer in our area and you have a bill of anywhere between $80,000 to $160,000, taxpayer money. Sterilization was way overpriced and trapping/relocation even more expensive, leaving them alone ironically turned out to be the least expensive method. I still believe, like others do, that the costs associated with a management plan, whatever it may be, should come from those who have a problem and want control. I should not have to pay for something that bothers broom lady but doesn't bother me.
I just became annoyed and opened my mouth because I don't like it when people whine and then get their way. The reasons some Craig citizens have voiced to get rid of the deer are ridiculous, selfish, and appease a small elite group of people, they're not for the health of the deer or the community as a whole.
No matter what you do or how you do it, they will always be here, they will never leave, this is their home as much as it is ours.
In my opinion, live with that fact or relocate yourself somewhere surrounded by concrete and tall buildings.
Prior to the encroachment of civilization and the incorporation of a city, this area was devoid of humans and wildlife ruled the show, it was their home and still is. WE are the trespassers.
The wildlife were part of the package for building a city on the home of those here before us, are we really going to lower ourselves to a mass slaughter of them because of a couple dogs and a brazen broom wielding citizen?
I'm in the process of looking into some things, there has to be some animal rights that will fall into play to stop the mass execution of native wildlife...yes, NATIVE(meaning here all along) wildlife?
More to come......
I concur with als362's post. The poll on this site should be evidence enough that the readers of this online paper do not want this to happen. City council should take said poll into advisement and allow it to play into their decision.
I say table it until the April election and let the citizens vote on it. I don't see that happening though.
I would be embarrassed, after 42 years of living in Craig(alongside the deer and other wildlife), to say that I am from the town who slaughtered animals that were here long before us.
Leave them alone already.
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