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"If a few deer scare these people half to death, what will bears do for the fears they have?"
LOL, no kidding. They think the deer are a problem. Fortunately, unlike Steamboat, Craig is far removed from a national forest in our backyard and I don't see bear invasion as a problem yet. Although, a few years back one was spotted roaming town, maybe looking for small dogs to eat that the killer deer missed.
I totally understand hunting and the principals behind it, but to crawl into the home of a bear and shoot it twice is cowardly in my book. That's not the definition of hunting that I have been taught. Next time he may not be so lucky, which is just what that was...luck that the bear did not have him for dinner.
"Heart attack, two days at memorial (stints installed), almost 15K."
If your friend had "stents inserted", it was not at TMH and he got one heck of a deal for 15K.
In the history of TMH there have been no cardiac catheterization procedures(aka Angioplasty) performed nor have any stents been inserted in any patients. Prices for angioplasty range from 30K all the way up to 108K, depending on the severity of the blockage and the implants used during the case. Location will also play into the price, have it done at a newly opened heart center and you will pay more than if you have it done at a well established center.
As far as the letter goes, it is my understanding that TMH pricing is competitive with critical access hospitals of its size across the country. Medical care is not cheap, despite only getting an X-ray and a brace, your paying for the modern X-ray machine, the new treatment room your sitting in, and the salaries for the patient representative checking you in, the Doctor who saw you, the Nurse who took care of you, the ER technician who initially helps before your seen by the Dr., the Radiology technician who took the film and the Radiologist who reads your film. The brace was probably 60 bucks, but it is what it takes to come to that conclusion that is what costs the $760.
I'm not slamming the letter writer one bit and I am grateful that they chose TMH for their medical needs, that's what we are here for.
I am however trying to point out that no matter where you go, Craig, Steamboat, Vernal, Rifle, Meeker, Glenwood, Denver, Vail, Aspen...you will pay the going rate and it does not vary much (although it does seem higher in the resort communities) from hospital to hospital.
"God bless our Firefighters, EMS and Law Enforcement. They are here for us."
Agree 100%...bravo xsareus.
"I don't think you have a clue as to what Just the facts are!!!!!"
Agree 110%. That's two votes off the island.
"Is Dr. Kinder leaving his practice and building to go to the old hospital and join that clinic"?
"And if so why? Why would he give that up?"
To provide better continuity of care for the patients he sees, and the patients that are seen by other specialists at the TMH clinic. Several specialties occupy the TMH clinic: Orthopedic, General Surgery, Urology, Obstetrics/Gynecology, Family Practice, and now add Internal Medicine. Being two blocks away(I know, it's not far)inhibits the ease of being there when another physician needs a consult from Dr. Kinder or if one of his patients needs a consult from one of the other specialists. It's a convenience factor that will benefit the patients most of all as they will no longer need to travel between the two locations, being centralized has many benefits. Its a win-win situation for him as well as the clinic.
His wife, Dr. Pamela Kinder will still be at the Kinder Family Clinic.
I'm sure there are other reasons but I am not going to speculate on what those might be.
Yes, we will follow the doctor, but I would prefer that my records follow along with me. Is he supposed to give them up for nothing?
Your comment(s) makes no sense at all.
Als362, probably right on that one. Still wondering how they get away with a user name that is objectionable and has nothing to do with facts, it's violating the CDP's own user policy.
Time to vote "justthefacts" off the island.
Hey, look at it this way. The online version is still free, and ad free as well......for now.
Dr .Kinder has plenty of patients, and patience. He is my doctor and the doctor of my family and has been since he arrived in Craig. I see no money wasted at all by TMH and it will be a nice improvement to the base of physicians employed by the hospital, at whatever cost.
Dr. Kinder is a very intelligent and compassionate physician, his knowledge of Internal Medicine will provide a boost to the wealth of medical knowledge already present in the current physicians and surgeons. It will make life easier for the patients seen by the TMH physicians by making him readily available to assist them in whatever capacity he can. Did you even read the article before spouting off?
Why do you have a problem with Dr. Kinder joining the TMH family justmyopinion?
"I have lived in Craig all my life, over 65 years. There never was deer in town until the last few years"
Huh, funny, I to have lived here all my life and in 43 years I DO remember the deer being around...all the time. I lived smack in the middle of town and would see them roaming the alleys everyday.
This is, as one couple said it one letter over, is becoming stupid and silly, the hantavirus is much easier to catch and can kill some people who are immunodeficient. I am trembling in my boots at the thought, so I demand we round up all the deer mice and have a killing spree(not).
Some people will resort to nonfactual information to push their agenda on those who won't research or don't understand..or care, this letter is a prime example of that method.
I say settle down people, the proper handling of the situation has commenced and the "DOW/50 citizen deer hating killing machine" has been put on idle. I trust the committee will come up with a REASONABLE plan to handle the problem of the awful "killer deer"(hey, maybe Hollywood should come up and make a horror movie).
(spoken in that movie trailer guys voice)
"No one can step outside.........(scream)
Dogs are being murdered........(bark)
No one can grow flowers anymore......(Scream)
Killer poop is on the loose........(scream)
You have just stepped into the Mule Deer Massacre Zone.......50 people hate them......thousands love them but they have all turned into cold blooded killers. Mayhem and madness have set in on this little mountain town where once docile deer have now turned into killing machines. They leave their deadly poop all over and kids are rubbing their hands in it and eating apples, dogs are murdered and citizens are being stared at. What is one to do? Grab a broom....maybe a shovel? Run for your life, the sky has fallen........and time.......is running out".
I couldn't help myself, but that is just how silly and stupid this is getting.
Why doesn't the county let the city pay $270,000 for 4 years and let the city own the space? Seems more logical than kicking them out and creating an empty hole in a very expensive building.
Another thing those who are actually paying for it should get to vote on.
A good topic for another DP reader poll, I can pretty much predict the outcome.
Do any of our elected officials really think that they do what the voters want them to do? It seems they have a path of their own and an agenda to match given some of the far out decisions made lately.
I agree with the above comments, stop acting like children and just do what's right.
Here is some useful information that might explain the costs and benefits of methods used to control urban deer populations.
Contraception and sterilization might sound like a good idea but the cost is very high for something that may, or may not, work.
You will need Adobe Acrobat or an equivalent to read this pdf file:
While it may be info from Wisconsin, where other deer species pose a much bigger problem, the methods used are generally across the board ideas that come up wherever I look.
I search "urban deer management" and am able to come up with a whole host of places to get useful information. It is because of some of these sites that I altered my outlook on the population control idea, I am still against mass eradication though.
This is something that cannot be rushed through and I am happy that there has been a committee formed and that they seem to be thinking this through, not overreacting to a few whiners.
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