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“He has got a wife and three children, and he came here in order to take care of his family.”
This seems to be the standard excuse anymore.
Strange how the other guy went to Club CAPS and this one went to prison. Gotta love it.
Bottom line is despite whatever people are doing, legal or otherwise, it is apparent that they are being harassed, stalked or spied upon by the park rangers at Elkhead.
I've been to many state controlled parks within Colorado and have never seen nor heard of any problems like those going on at Elkhead. Many of the state parks visited were very enjoyable, the rangers left you alone and we were not stalked, spied on or harassed by any parks staff.
What is making Elkhead so different?
Do you really think the old couple broke some rule to be harassed by the park rangers? Not!!
Would it have been more prudent, and human-like, to let the guy that stopped to let his dog drink (which he has probably done many times) just go about his business for 5 minutes without the need to confront him? Yes, it would have.
Do I have to buy a parks pass to stop and let my kid use the bathroom there so she doesn't have an accident in the car? Or should I also pay for a parks pass for that? No, I shouldn't.
Seriously, use some common sense.
All anyone is saying is to back off and display some discretion when dealing with the public, give out some warnings and be nice, park rangers are supposed to help the public have a good experience.
Not to much to ask from people who are being paid by the very users they are harassing.
I Never said the rules should not be followed, however the users of Elkhead don't need to be micromanaged and controlled like it was some sort of Gulag.
Reading you guys reminds me of the movie "Grumpy Old Men", and then, "Grumpier Old Men".
Are you, and the park rangers, seriously that much against people having a little fun?
If(and that is a hypothetical "if") I'm on the beach at Elkhead and my kid is laughing and playing with friends, do you really expect me to tell her to be quiet?
Is the harassment of old people, or any people, the mission of the parks department? It sure seems to be.
Don't you think instead of the militant attitude portrayed by the park rangers that a reminder of the rules or a warning would be better received than an immediate ticket, the campground stalking, or being spied on with binoculars? It's called tolerance and discretion, apparently they have zero.
I realize, and agree, that following the rules is important but the negative letters and posts detailing the tactics of the rangers, despite following the rules, has outdone any positive ones. You can't tell me letting your dog drink water from the river is breaking the law...or that they are so hard up for money that they feel it necessary to harass those who have already paid, or showing up at the tick of noon to make sure they leave...or pay? Not every human is a dishonest lawbreaker.
Craig and Moffat County are trying to ATTRACT visitors, the rangers attitudes are whats driving them away from Elkhead, one would think the opposite attitude towards its visitors would be appropriate, thus attracting more to the area.
Mrs. Adams is right, it was much more fun and enjoyable when the City of Craig controlled the lake, it was safe, it was fun, and I used it 10 times more than I do now, which is zero. To bad as my family really enjoyed an afternoon on the water or lazing on the beach. Now, its not worth being hassled because my kid is having fun or to make sure I paid...which they can check on without hassling people.
Flaming Gorge is a huge lake visited by thousands of people, you don't see the military style stalking and harassment from the rangers out there that you do at little ol' Elkhead. Might be because they actually want people to visit their lake, not go somewhere else.
Excellent post highway1340.
I use "you scan" at City Market all the time to avoid just the situation you described and I love it. Can't count how many times I was in a hurry, before self scan was placed, and the checker is going over each product, in detail, with the customer...what it does, why they use it, how much they use, etc.... some people actually have lives to live and need to get on with it. Besides, patience is something I lack, therefore I am always looking for the quickest way.
As far as buying automotive supplies from Wal-Mart, when the parts stores come down to match Wal-Marts price, no problem, but they haven't. I buy my parts from NAPA, have Precision Automotive work on my complex projects, Big-O keeps the rubber fresh, Conoco keeps the exhaust clean, and Yampa Auto Body fixes the bent up parts and keeps my vehicles looking pretty. With that I feel entitled to save a few dollars by buying my oil, filters, wiper blades and the like at Wal-Mart. Like I said in a previous thread, I spend 90% of my pay right here in town using local businesses. Like it or not Wal-Mart is a business that employs locals, therefore I am helping pay those locals by shopping at Wal-Mart...making it a local business.
Even in health care the surgeon is slowly being replaced by a robot called the daVinci:
TMH will never have one as they cost millions to own and use, but have your gallbladder taken out(aka Cholecystectomy) in a major health care facility, and it might be possible that the daVinci is doing it. Currently it still takes a surgeon being in the room to operate it.....but advances in technology will soon make the actual human unnecessary.
It's called progress and, like 1340 said above, it has been happening for thousands of years.
Where have you been?
You seriously need to get out of the house and away from the computer.
I like it here and would never live in either place, to much chaos. Might shop there, but not to live. I give up 90% of my earnings right here in town(food, fuel, living expenses, school fees, B&G club, medical care, hardware, lumber, etc....), I happen to like having a large selection of big dollar goods to choose from at a significantly lower price in some instances, like cars...bikes...TV's...clothes...shoes. Things you either can't find here or that cost way over what you pay somewhere else, like GJ.
Is there some issue with seeking lower prices, better service, and bigger selection?
Is 90% of ones salary spent locally not good enough?
Do you have a suggestion where I can buy a QUALITY built bike, locally? I'd be glad to if I could find the right one...I'm picky about certain things and like a wide variety to choose from.
Personal choice is a freedom I enjoy, I spend enough of my money in this town and I choose to go elsewhere when I don't find what I want here, you want to shop all your money in town, that is your personal choice.
Last time I checked it was still a free country.
I agree with the native_craig_guy as I also shop out of town for major purchases. I try to find what I need and want locally but availability, price and sometimes customer service force me to do my shopping elsewhere.
Here's my most recent dilema:
I am looking for a small mountain bike for my kid for her birthday. I refuse to purchase bikes at the local discount stores because the price is not the only thing that is cheap. I want something durable that will outlast the punishment she will dole out to it, something made by a reputable company. Anywhere locally (including Steamboat) I have looked is either asking for an arm, or a leg, or they just don't have the selection to choose from. My next venture will be Junction and I am confident I will find what I want for the price I am willing to pay chosen from a large variety of decent brands.
I'd rather shop here, I hate going to Denver or Junction, but given the choices we have to deal with locally, what is one to do?
I am not in disagreement with you, as a matter of fact I thought the very same thing, should've known ALL the rules, not just the two dozen or so we went over before my ride.
I do not deny the necessity of the park staff, but like I said, a simple warning would have curbed my lawbreaking, and possibly fed a different image. Where is a little discretion?
The treatment received by the author of the above letter is not proper parks enforcement, leave people be to have some fun and hassle the ones truly acting inappropriately or blatantly breaking the law.
From the above letter:
"No wonder everyone I had been talking to about Elkhead told us not to bother going there anymore,next time we will listen."
Not something you need to hear when trying to attract tourists.
A well put letter.
I too have run into trouble with the over-zealous ranger staff at Elkhead. Years ago some friends took us out to ride their waverunner(or jetski or whatever they are called, the kind you sit on)and to enjoy some quality time with friends on a beautiful Saturday. Now I am no expert on the operation of these crafts so I took it easy and just putted around until I felt comfortable with the operation of this machine. As I approached the "no wake zone", I slowed down to idle speed to cruise through it. A boat came charging out of nowhere, creating a substantial wake in the "no wake zone", only to pull alongside of me to ticket me for creating a wake in the "no wake zone". Cost me $105.00 and has kept me from ever going out on that lake again. A simple explanation with a warning would have been sufficient, especially for a first time user who was not even the owner of the craft.
All this type of attitude will accomplish is people staying away from Elkhead and going elsewhere.
I can understand Mrs. Etzler, the stalking behavior will ruin a good time and make people think twice about ever returning. I realize enforcement of the rules is necessary, but to this extreme?
Death would be the easy way out.
Is it me or am I missing something here?
If he is so innocent, why did he dismember her and hide her remains on his property? I can understand a killing if it is truly in self defense, but cutting her up and disposing of the remains is in no way self defense, it is cold blooded murder, he got what he deserved.
Self defense is calling the police immediately after it happens and letting the investigation sort out the facts to prove your innocence, NOT cutting someone up in the bathtub, stuffing limbs in plastic bags and transporting them 40 miles out of town and hiding them on private property, that is called murder and abuse of a corpse....guilty in my book.
It just does not make sense anyone saying he was innocent and she should be the one in prison, maybe I don't know the whole story but the facts remain, he messed up...big.
Kudos to the system for doing the right thing.
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