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DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Thank you Mrs. Novacek for your positive letter, it helps in more ways than is known. Funny how some have the worst experience in their life and others have a very positive one, as displayed by this letter.
I'm beginning to think it's not us after all…..

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Nobody needs to explain anything to me, it is crystal clear.
As with the other thread, I've said enough…I'm out.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

And so there you have it, we cyclists are actually on your side…as drivers and bike riders we want some of the same things, to make it safer and enjoyable for all of us.
Thank you Mr. Hammel for bringing the issue to the front, however I think I've said enough so thanks for the discussion.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Yes, I agree that bikes should pay some sort of registration fee, not to ALLOW them to use the road but to further things like paths and off road places to ride. That fee can also be used to place a plate or number on the bike for easy identification, same as cars.
Bicycles are non-motorized…are you saying that people who walk or skate on the roads should pay too? I do all three, should I have to pay a registration fee for riding/walking and skating? Should I only be allowed to walk or skate on certain roads? Might as well hit up those law breaking stroller pushers and roller blader's to, why single out bikes? Non-motorized, that's the difference.

I have been in the same situation as you described on 129, and many other places…mostly in Routt County, never here at home. After waiting for the corner to come round and the traffic to pass, I ease on by only to be spit on and flipped off while passing. Makes you want to pull over and throw a shovel handle through the front tire on their way by…..makes you WANT to, but I never do. Anyone who rides, or drives, knows this breed, fortunately for us here in Moffat County we don't have many of them…you know who I mean.
I feel the same aggression as some of you do when encountering law breaking bike riders, I just realize the difference between my truck and the bike….let the bike win. So what??

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

als362,
No, not calling anyone here an A-hole, never any disrespect intended.
As a child riding the streets of Craig, I have been yelled at by passing motorists to “get the *^#* out of the way”, or “get off the road you dumb#$%&”. That is what I meant about not being an A-hole. I respect your opinion on not sharing your knowledge of bike riding with a child as not to get sued. However, in my opinion, that is what is wrong with our society today, nobody wants to get involved or say anything so we just let chaos and mayhem ensue.
I have faith and confidence in my knowledge about riding a bike so I am not afraid to share it with our youth, I am teaching my child the rules of the road as well. I also am letting her read these posts so she is aware of the situation she is in…you can't be too careful.
I hope that clears it up als362.

In reference to your other post als362, which I just read, it's my opinion that those fees are to maintain and repair what ATV owners tear up with their machines. I realize mountain bikers do damage as well but the costs to repair them are a far cry from those damaged by motorized equipment. Show me the wear and tear I have done on the streets and roads of Craig and MC, with my bicycle, and I'll gladly pay a fee to maintain the damage…I'm not against paying fees for things as long as they are worthy.
What I would like to see is an identification number or plate of some sort placed on a bicycle so that a driver has an easy way of identifying one who breaks the law and as an assurance that person would be found.
That I would do…”just because” I won't.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Then it is the drivers right and responsibility to turn the bike rider in if they are breaking the law.
Just as it is a bikers right and responsibility to turn an aggressive driver in if they are breaking the law.
It's a two way street, there are no excuses for not doing so.

I was taught the same thing you were lonelyone, about riding, and I follow it as if my life were on the line…after reading some posts on the forum I now know that it is.
Even if bikers(stupid…idiot ones at that)are breaking the law, it gives a driver no right to act aggressively and possibly injure or kill someone with your mass of high speed metal and plastic.

For just one moment……………think of the dynamics of it all. It's a win-lose situation.

It all comes down to that saying about some rotten apples spoiling the bunch…don't risk all of us for the sake of a few rotten apples.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Thank you Rick and count me in as a supporter. I am a driver of the roads as well as a cyclist and a long standing IMBA member, I see(and live)both sides of the story. The one side that I do see, that the others are missing, is that sitting behind the wheel of a 4,000# + killing machine makes all the difference, and it is what makes these laws necessary. Even when trying to obey the laws and keep out of the way, some think that we just do not belong there and try to kill us anyway, or give us minimal room(I have been passed by vehicles on MY side of the white line). THAT is what these laws are for, not your average everyday driver who follows the laws, has some patience and can get to the other side of this HUGE metropolis we call Craig on time, they are for those with attitude.
In Craig, most of those riding bicycles are children and sometimes they don't get the teaching and the law laid out to them like it should be(you can bet my kid is getting it). Instead of being all furious and pouting, stop them and teach them the right way…I've done it and it helps, most of the time the kids have no idea they are doing it wrong. You don't have to be an A-hole about it and most of the time the kids appreciate it, I have been thanked quite often by them and even received a phone call from a parent(a friend, but all the same)thanking me for my help.
It's not called “Share the road” for nothing.
Sorry, all I wanted to do was give Rick my support and the soapbox came out.(puts it away)

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Patrick,
Sad isn't it that we cannot even recreate outdoor's with our children without being threatened with our lives. Your P.S. however in my opinion is wrong, roads are not only for cars and by LAW, something touted very highly on this forum, you must allow room for cyclists, like it or not.

I will take down plate #'s and I will turn anyone in that decides I don't belong on the road, I will take advantage of the laws that protect me and my child, and I will run them out through the court until they have nothing left…that I can promise you.
This is no threat, like has been bestowed on me and my child by some of you, but a glimpse into reality, and a promise from one cyclist AND driver that this behavior will not be tolerated.

I guess the thought of killing someone is not enough….
Maybe when someone else's life other than the cyclist is ruined, some MIGHT get the picture, but I doubt it.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Am I hearing some of you right?
By the logic I am reading, my life and the life of my child are in danger because you don't think we have a right to ride our bicycles on the roads? Or that we don't belong there because we do not PAY to be there…therefore we must be run off the road and killed?
It also seems that cyclists are someones test subject for a twisted, sick form of grille guard research?

Unbelievable that I am hearing this from my neighbors.

Bikers are not innocent(and some are downright insane), but that does not give any driver the right to intimidate, harass or threaten them in any way. Cyclists are not able to cause the harm, disfigurement and death that a car hitting a biker will do. When's the last you heard of a car being demolished and the driver killed after being hit by a bicycle?

This strikes a nerve in me because I have been faced with the reality of such road rage and senseless acts us humans bring upon ourselves, all because someone didn't care.

I don't wish that job on anybody.

With summer around the bend, please be safe, follow the law, and share the road…everyone…drivers and bikers alike.
Either that or don't go biking at all, you are being hunted.

I don't want to meet you at work.

DavidMoore (David Moore) says…

Freeman,
I believe you might have me mixed up with another David who works in the ER.
All the same, thanks for your kind words. Same to you Greeneyedgurl, thank you.