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Pipe down, I never called you a liar and I don't claim to know it all but your "report" is false. I have ridden and walked the very trail you say is "torn up" and I just don't see it that way. I use it to bike to work in the summertime, I may not be on it 3-4 times a week but have been on it plenty to know it is ride-able, walkable and ski-able. Torn up means it is destroyed beyond use, which it is not. There may have been some work done to provide utility access to the hospital but it has been filled in. How much more torn up can a marginal at best dirt trail get?
As far as knowing it all, never claimed to but thought some common sense might do better than the insensitive banter that was going on here before. I also know what I see, and I don't see it like you do, sorry, excuse me for providing my point of view.
Als362, I went out and looked at the site today and thought out how a path might work. However, I think I have said enough on this subject and I am going to move along. It was only a thought, an idea, and it will probably remain that way.
I think you are on the right path (so to speak) with your idea, but again, it's the shortest path between two points that will drive people to stick to the highway. The route you propose would add distance and time to ones travel as well as having to walk uphill, most people probably would not walk that way. Making pedestrian traffic unlawful along the highway is probably not going to happen either, you would have to change the laws to reflect ALL highway use by pedestrians.
And lastly, I have yet seen any mother trying to push a stroller through the snow at any time. Have you? Just curious, not being snide.
Your idea is not a bad one and it would not take much to connect the loop with Ridgeview, I just don't see people going that far out of their way to get from point A to point B in the shortest time that they allow. I'm guessing here, but I'd bet if two people left Columbine at the same time, one on the Highway and one going your route, the highway traveler would arrive at Murdoch's 10-15 minutes before the other. That is a lot of time to some people in this era of rush, rush, rush.
The logical, sensible idea, as xrsareus posted previously, would be to widen the area of the hillside that brings people closest to the highway and connect it to the frontage road in front of Tri-State equipment to keep them off the stretch before the turnoff, which is where this accident occurred.
Keep thinking of ideas, it's much more productive than what was happening on this thread beforehand.
'The Trail of Bliss'
Excellent thinking, however I think it would be prudent to connect the widened portion with the east and west ends of the frontage roads, thereby minimizing the time spent close to traffic.
I'm going to go look tomorrow, I think that hillside might be too steep to support a trail or path and it is nothing but soft dirt, reinforcement would definitely be needed. To bad there is no way to just make a path up the hill to the south end of the motel parking lot and back down the Signal hill side. I think it might be to steep for that. The widening idea seems the most logical as long as it utilizes the existing ends of the frontage roads.
Isn't this discussion better than judging and blaming people who have had their lives changed forever?
Well, lets try to apply some common sense to the questions that have arisen. I am going to have to go out there tomorrow and survey the situation to see if anything can be done at all. I'm making suggestions off the top of my head and I want to be right about what I am presenting.
-me21, I don't think it would necessarily need to be paved, nice, but not crucial. Some surface besides a pit of pea gravel would be best. Again, this town comes together to combat just about any need a person in despair presents. This is a need, it should be a donated effort and made a memorial to Justin that would cement the continued compassion of this community. Having anything there to keep people off of the highway is better than nothing.
I know all about the terrible accident involving Mrs. Farrow, it was not an easy situation to deal with by some of the strongest people I know. It is now safer in that zone and is going to get even more safe with the possible addition of a turn lane. That area has always been a problem and it looks like a resolution is imminent. This is the type of thinking that Craig needs to have. Great post.
-I imagine the foot traffic would be enough to create a pathway that would not need plowed. I can say with rather certainty that the existing path next to TMH is not used due to it being so far out of the way, therefore it is not plowed. It's the "shortest route between two points" thing, people are just not going to go that far out of their way to use a substandard, unplowed path. They might use one next to the road though and if enough people walk on it, a route will be created.
I imagine a small ATV with a blade, or a Bobcat, perhaps donated from Tri-State would suffice, I can't imagine there would be copious amounts of time spent on clearing the way, would take maybe 30 minutes to maintain 500' of a 5' wide path.
-I am assuming it is a federal right of way since it borders a U.S. highway. That is where the knot would occur in getting something like this done. The possibility of it being owned by the motel is there as well.
-I totally agree on the path from Shadow Mnt. to Murdochs, there is literally NO shoulder and I have come close to hitting someone myself. At night is even worse along that stretch. The Shadow Mnt. deal would be county in my opinion as it is along a county road.
I have never understood "land greed" and why people won't give up a strip or chunk of their property for the good of all, if it were mine, I would. I understand there are some issues but they seem minor compared to potential death.
Craig needs to spiff up it's path system and the folks who posses the necessary land to do it need to give it up, but, in these times there are more important things to consider than the lives of citizens.
Good thinking Als362, I'm touched.
That's a tall order for this town, but as you said, one can dream.
Happy New Year everyone, you to taxslave.
Just some FYI on this:
Dr's Huffmire and Reishus were the founders of the Moffat Family Clinic when it was started in the north end of the old hospital over 30 years ago, Dr. Kipe arrived shortly after if memory serves me right. Dr. Reishus just retired after 35 years and Dr. Huffmire retired as well several years ago. Dr. Reilly moved away for a different job, unsure on the details but it was not due to anything wrong at the clinic as far as I know.
Dr. Roberts is leaving because his wife has come into an opportunity elsewhere and Dr. Phillips found a better deal with the hospital. After 30 something years Dr. Crowe is retiring as well. All have given outstanding service and dedication to the health of the citizens of Craig and should be thanked for it. Thank you Doctors!!
On a side note, it is thrilling to hear of the possible recruitment of a Pediatrician, we have needed one for a long time and it will be a welcome addition to the medical family of Craig.
My sincere condolences to the family of this tragic accident, no matter who is to blame, a fiance, son, and friend has been killed. Usually what is proper in this instance, instead of being speculative and generally false, is to prevent this from happening again so others do not have to go through what the family of this young man are right now.
Here is my thought:
The frontage road ends at Tri-State equipment right? It ends on the other side of the hill at the entrance to the Black Nugget Motel. We are talking cutting maybe 500' out of the side of the hill and constructing some sort of walking path to keep those who live in the Ridgeview area off of the road. Connect the dots, dedicate it to the memory of Justin and keep this from happening again. I used to have friends that lived in Ridgeview, along with my girlfriend(my wife now)that I would visit often. I had no transportation other than a bicycle and I can attest that it is a dangerous stretch to ride or walk at anytime of the day.
By the looks of the photo in the paper, I assume it was taken from atop the hill where the Black Nugget is, and according to where the emergency vehicles are parked, he was walking on the road because there was no alternative route to take. That entrance goes to Ridgeview if turning left and Tri-State equipment if turning right. Where was he supposed to walk? I may be wrong in my locations on this but it looks as if this happened just east of the first entrance to Ridgeview. If so, Justin was not in the wrong for walking this part of the road. This is why there needs to be a path of some sort that can be used by pedestrians, it can't be that hard, or expensive and if some of the people in this town, who pull together for a lot of different issues could donate time and effort, it CAN be done. I'd gladly help.
The "path" that has been constructed over the hill is nearly impassible by bike in the summer due to 4" of pea gravel along most of the stretch. I also have not seen any damage due to the construction of the hospital, not sure where that comes from but it is false. The path is not plowed in the winter so you cannot expect people to trudge through 16" of snow. It is relatively out of the way as well and is not complete, a failure of the concept in my opinion.
Lets show some respect here and stop being junior cops by speculating on what happened, you don't know, let the real cops sort it out.
I did not know this person but I have experienced enough tragedy and anguish to sympathize with those grieving for their losses, and I do sympathize with this family. I can also sympathize with the driver as I have seen lives completely destroyed by having to live with the outcome of ones action for the rest of their life. Not something ANY of you would want to go through.
Respect...it's not that tough a concept.
Als362, I'm not an authority on hunting, but I have been around long enough to know right from wrong, like don't look down the barrel, don't bang them bullet thingy's with a rock, and (from the CDP article): "you don’t shoot ducks on a pond — you wait until they are in flight. You don’t shoot turkeys out of a roost and you don’t shoot bears in their dens.” I was taught that when I was 8.
I don't have any "sour grapes" about hunting or killing animals when done with some thought, fair chase and the possibility of escape...kinda like....hunting. For the record, I don't like wine either, which technically is a case of sour grapes, which makes you wrong twice in the same sentence. In addition to that, I could care less about having my "chance" at the kill...I never would have taken that chance in the first place. I don't need a big game head on my wall, my trophies go home everyday to their families, doing better than when they came in.
I'm beginning to think Taxslave (I can't believe I am going to say this) might be right about the chemtrails...you know, the ripply clouds (caused by wind) that hang over the plant? Somethings gelling up your gray matter and reacting with your grump center, or it's just your nature.
Based on your lack of empathy about any subject, person or thing, I have come to the conclusion that you Als362 are the one with sour grapes my friend, bushels of them. Because I, or anyone else doesn't agree with you does not make us tree-huggers, thick headed, ignorant or sour for not going out and killing something and getting a charge out of it...or being jealous of someone who does. Had all this gone differently, in a dozen other ways, there would have been nothing said at all and we'd still be talking about killer deer, the weather or the upcoming Dateline NBC show on TV.
Speaking of TV, I must say your Archie Bunkeresque comments do provide for some laughter when needed most, so at least for that, Merry Christmas Als362, and a happy, or happier, New Year.
Read the article in today's edition from the DOW, they are questioning the act themselves.
From the article:
“Hampton said there are several other states with regulations against shooting bears in dens or caves.
“People support hunting because it is, for the most part … based on sound principals of wildlife management and is based in the ethic of fair chase,” he said.
Fair chase, Hampton said, is one of the founding principals of modern hunting.
“There are many things with ethics of hunting that are not regulated,” he said. “For example, duck hunters will tell you that you don’t shoot ducks on a pond — you wait until they are in flight. You don’t shoot turkeys out of a roost and you don’t shoot bears in their dens.”
Again for the slow ones...You don't shoot bears in their dens.
What was done may be legal but ethically (and you don't have to be a “tree hugger” to understand ethics and morals) is where the line has been drawn.
This story, and subsequent commentary, is making our town out to appear to be full of ruthless, beer drinkin' bubbas that posses no regard to nature, or other people who might have an opinion about an unethical killing.
We are now in the national spotlight because of this story, that is why people from all over the country are responding, unfortunately instead of voicing their opinion on this public forum, they receive the standard treatment when disagreeing with certain posters.
Well, news flash for you, not everyone in this HUNTING town is a hunter...or a killer, but some of you sure are making us look that way to the rest of the country tuning in to this issue.
Google search this story, it is on the first page, it's in hunting magazines of all sorts, and local newspapers from as far away as Connecticut, Florida, North Carolina and Washington state have published it in one form or another.
We are looking foolish not only for the act itself, but for the replies that are stating that if your not a hunter and don't like killing, shut your face and move!!
Thanks a lot for that.
To those from outside the walls of Craig, please do not think that some of these posters above represent what the mentality of our town really is, we are not a bunch of shoot em' up foolish hicks with a killing fetish.
We are a hunting community and we base a lot of our livelihood on it, and, despite what some of these posters are saying, nobody is anti-hunting or against taking trophy game. What HAS fired up this town, and apparently the rest of the country, is the WAY this bear was taken, nothing else.
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