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Why were Patricks posts removed?
Good, glad you won't lose any sleep. I was trying to be nice, you chose otherwise.
I don't need to explain, it's right there. Sorry you can't see that.
My issue, is that the letter and following posts seem to twist this incident in a way to where it is pointing the finger at kids who are not good enough as to why this all happened, and, at their parents for wanting the coaches to do their jobs, which is to coach. Apparently we are supposed to give birth to world class athletes or they are not allowed on the team, and, if they somehow get on the team, they need "motivation" consisting of being picked on, hazed, and degraded, which in some miraculous way will make them better athletes.
I totally agree with you that we entrust the safety and well being of our child athletes to those who accompany our kids to places away from home and away from our parental security. These men failed miserably in providing that security and are now paying the price, and, they seem to have gotten the heavy hand. Hopefully, if they ever coach again, they will not repeat their mistakes.
This has all been nothing but a complete embarrassment for this community which struggles to find it's place in the world. Doing something about what happened is all we have left to redeem ourselves and make others think that we actually do have brains around here and are not some chew spittin' redneck town.
I wrote out a great post but decided banging my head on the wall would be less painful than attempting to get some to see that this is not about earning a positioning or about how good of an athlete you are, but more about illegal, immoral and downright sadistic behavior.
Excuse me, my wall awaits.
Couldn't come up with a better headline?
I am not saying I don't agree with that, but what in heck does that have to do with this situation???
So are you saying the hazers got off with no punishment? This is how I read your comment above, and please, a half season for punishment?? If I were the administrator those guys would never touch a football again during their high school careers, ever. And you are right, motivation and torture are two separate things, so why do the other players resort to torture?? Are they thinking it will motivate the other players?? They need to start school all over again if this is how they think because all brain cells are not firing in harmony.
This was not hazing, hazing is a bucket of cold water dumped on you while showering in a warm shower. Hazing is dog-piling someone, hazing is not having a disgusting bag of piss thrown at you.
Kids were ridiculed, ashamed and degraded.... Why, please enlighten me?? I can't imagine it has anything to do with their level of play, however I can imagine it has everything to do with an elitist attitude by some upperclassman, or men, who think they are God's gift to sports, had them when I tried to play and apparently the mentality still exists. That doubled with the same old tradition that has been going on in this town for as long as I can remember.....your name or your money. Without either your kid has no chance... I have experienced it recently with my own kid, its a fact, not a fallacy.
THAT is where the coaches become responsible, they are responsible for dealing with these situations no matter who you are or how much money, acreage, sheep, cattle, business interests, political or CEO positions mommy and daddy have. Apparently, as usual, the coach(es) did nothing which makes me think that fact still rings quite true in this good ol' boy community and, well, they paid the price for their ignorance.
Thankfully someone stood up for the victims and said enough is enough, step down or we will make you step down. Bravo for them however their job may not last long around here, that type of thinking is not accepted in this community by some, those of us with a few firing synapses think it is just fine and about danged time, but we have no money or a big name.
The only way to make this never happen again is to do what has been done and never let the instigators play again, they obviously do not know what sportsmanship is which in my book makes them ineligible. If that does not happen, the parents of the victims should involve the court system and punish ALL of them to the fullest extent of the law.
From my understanding, this issue is not about "being better", it is about hazing out of control. Bags filled with urine being thrown at other human beings and other despicable acts that were going on in the showers is what this is all about. Don't try and twist it into something it is not, it was criminal and that is the bottom line. If I were a parent of one of these kids, I would take this all the way through the legal system until it could go no more.
Is your way of motivating kids to do better consist of torture?
I agree with some of the points made in the letter and in the following post, however what happened at this football camp IS NOT the way to do it and all those responsible should be punished, from the coaches to the perpetrators.
IMO, it is ABOUT TIME the brutality some young, inexperienced players have to deal with comes crashing down and those who do it, and let it happen, are dealt with swiftly and justly. Then it may stop.
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