Do you support the Craig Rural Fire Protection District’s plan to build a live fire simulator for training near The Memorial Hospital and Colorado Northwestern Community College in Craig?

Correct: Yes 133 votes

34.10%

Correct: No 244 votes

62.56%

Correct: Undecided 13 votes

3.33%

390 total votes

Comments

Colette Erickson 2 years ago

Insane not to support this. Folks will be singing a different tune when it is their home burning, and, God-forbid, their loved-ones and/or pets trapped inside.

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Insider1313 2 years ago

It would be nice to have, but like ranger 520 says there is a tower in Hayden. I don't know of any burn towers in the country that are that close to each other. Steamboat has no problems with using Haydens tower. I don't think we are getting the whole story. Why build this so close to houses, the college or the hospital. I think people are looking at the fact that we are getting free land from the college and not the placment of a building like this. Also what is the bottom line dollar, I know they have a million or so, but why is the budget projecting another 500k in the upcoming years. Also didn't the Fire Department Burn a building last year around 1st and Ranney St., I think the video said that they haven't burned a building in 4 to 5 years. Like I said this isn't the whole story.

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David Moore 2 years ago

Once again I agree with 3canines, it is a different tune when it is a loved one affected.

I am interested to know what building on 1st and Ranney was burned last year? There is personal property on the NW corner that has horses and goats, a large parcel that has always been vacant on the NE corner, the old Wagner building on the SE corner and some auto repair shop and a music teacher on the SW corner. Where is this building that they burned last year?

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truthhurts 2 years ago

That building had already been damaged by a fire and they did attempt to use it even though it was structurally unsafe because of the damage the fire spread rapidly and they had to let it burn. It was the only burn in over 5 years and in my opinion was an unsafe "attempt" to train with live fire.

I have seen the tower at Hayden and it looks nothing like the proposed tower design on the cover of the paper. I would like more information on how the facilities differ?

Fires burn hotter and faster than ever and construction of new homes is made with more and more glued materials. Firefighters need to train more than ever to safely do the job. In a year that saw our community tragically loses four people to structure fires I thank the board for without asking for additional funds to have planned well enough to provide our community with the best product possible. My condolence to those who lost loved ones and if this facility can give our citizens a better chance to survive a fire then I can do nothing but support it.

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Sam Relaford 2 years ago

I thought I read an article where they wanted to build a fire sub-station out there?? I would be more apt to go along with that because more people are moving out to the west side of town. But I really dont think we need a fire training tower right here in town. The tower in Hayden is only 30 minutes away. It would make more sense to go ahead and pay Routt county a little when they want to train than spend a million dollars on a building to burn every once in a while. And the smoke and smell from the fires would really be a nousance to the people and patients who are in the vicinity of the tower.

Here's an idea... How about taking that property and building more housing for low income families?! Just sayin....

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truthhurts 2 years ago

“I know a lot of people question whether it’s worth the money, but until you experience the level of preparation it takes to go into a live fire, you can’t complain,” Johnson said. “Going into a live fire is daunting and this is going to be a valuable training tool, especially for rookies, so they know what they are going into.” — Talia Johnson, candidate for the Craig Rural Fire Protection District Board

Love it she just moved here and even she can see the value in this project.

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jasper123 2 years ago

I say let them build they need all the practice they can get

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Jon Pfeifer 2 years ago

This is not about the firefighters being better trained. They have a facility in Hayden that they can use for free. True, they have to share that facility with some other agencies, but I have not read anywhere that there is some sort of backlog or difficulty in scheduling training sessions in Hayden. Steamboat Springs uses the Hayden training center. They also serve a population about twice that of the fire department here. Mr. Willems has stated that when they lose 5 or 6 people to train, it becomes hard to get 10 or 11 people (out of 25 left) to respond to a big fire. That is why you schedule training sessions when you know you will be able to get at least 11 people on a big fire if necessary. This is a false justification.

My criticism is that this is wasteful, deceptive politics. This is about building a structure without justification and with money that people were misled into thinking was going to be spent on equipment. This is about the fire department having more money than they need, and deciding to expand unnecessarily with that money because they can.

This is also about the fire department doing something that tax payers told them they did not want them to do. They are announcing the training tower now. Next they will announce the second fire station. This is because they are receiving too much revenue for their needs, especially given that the population in Craig today is less than what it was in 1982.

I simply do not support this decision at all.

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kp81625 2 years ago

I agree with Ranger520 and smalltowner. This is just a flagrant waste of community resources where the people of this county were misled into thinking they were voting for the fire department to use the funds for more equipment or to update the existing equipment.

Hayden has a perfectly good facility and it seems to me that the fire department here has to use this money or be caught in a big fat lie. I live out on that side of town and do not want this near my house, thank you very much. I didn't vote for the increased money for the fire department and if I were to be asked right now, I would have to say that I am disappointed in the way that whole thing was handled to begin with. It seems to me that the taxpayers have had the wool pulled over their eyes. The vote on that was a while ago and nothing can be done about it now.

Suffice it to say that it is water under the bridge and cannot be undone. But remember this, fire department...the next time you come to the taxpayers, begging for money, we are going to remember this and vote accordingly. The residents of Moffat County and the City of Craig, have long, long memories. Be aware that I know that I will hesitate and so will all the people I know that do vote cause I will make sure they hear about this. Lesson learned this time, but next time, it won't be so easy. Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me...

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Insider1313 2 years ago

Ranger52and kp81625 you are really getting the points across. This is the start of station 2 but it's a ploy. They build a training tower, and then they allocate money each year to add on, before you know it, station 2 is here. So when we go to the board meeting we need to ask why there is money (aprox 500k or so) being allocated for future projects? This is just the start, I would love a training tower, but the people (on average) are showing that it is not what they want. This is not a good idea, but it will be hard to stop. Since the department already has the start money, it will take the change of leadership to start it. I want training but Hayden is close enough, and the tower there is not next to a hospital or houses, it's safer that way.

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TiredofSSDD 2 years ago

This is why we should have a "sunset clause" on mill levies. If we had done that, then when the sunset clause kicked in, it would allow us to decide if we wanted to vote in another mill levy or let it end. There is not a check and balance under our current mill levies. Time for change.

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Cris French 2 years ago

Training is great for the fire department and I believe thay are good at what they do. The location of the propossed training tower at the Craig college campus brings up a few question. Most training towers are not build on a campus or near residential areas, they are off campus locations and not near rersidential area's, why build it hear on the new campus in Craig? Is this an attempt to expand the Craig campus to include fire training?

I do not want a fire tower built near the Craig Campus. The EPA would side against building it due to the little pollution it would emitt during training. Remember you have a new Hospital up there as well.I feel that the fire department can travel to Hayden. If they need a new facility, how about locating it away from the town and expand the Craig Campus to include your fire training to get college credits towards a degree. Let's make the right desision and not rush into anything.

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kp81625 2 years ago

Tired of SSDD. I have a question because I personally have never heard of a sunset clause...how do we go about doing that? Can we insist that this is written into every new request for a new mill levy? Do we have the right to do that? Or is our only option to vote down any new request that does not have this clause? Is this our way out of a mill levy increase? Please explain how this type of clause works. I need educated. Thanks

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TiredofSSDD 2 years ago

When the mill levy is proposed for the ballot, it can contain a clause that it is only for 5 years (or whatever timeframe is suggested), and then the mill levy has a "sunset clause" or end date. Then, if the group wants another mill levy, they would have to propose another one for the ballot, and the voters can either vote it in or vote it out. We can also do a proposal to remove a mill levy. We shouldn't give any group a "free ride" forever. A sunset clause would make sure that mill levies be under constant review by the taxpayers. Isn't that a novel idea in Moffat County/Craig?

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Insider1313 2 years ago

Ranger520 don't let them deter you. This may be a ploy to get you off your game. Why would these people even get on the blog. They don't care about how they spend the money. They just want new toys at top dollar. This ckshnaethomas could be a plant, why is this person sticking up for the department. Ckshanethomas did you quit or get fired, because I have heard some things. Or do you want the throw more initials around, ya I know who you are to, but you are only guessing about me. Anonymous posting let us state our opinion without retaliation from these people in power. ckshanethomas knows all about this. I will be at the next board meeting, but I doubt you will. This is wrong what they are doing to the tax payers, and they can only be stopped if we replace them with leaders that want to follow the tax payers interests. See comments on Training Tower article.

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