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As a citizen born in the United States do you know if you could actually prove you ARE a citizen? Legal immigrants would have the right paperwork, but would you? It's very easy to get a driver's license in some states, so don't think that will protect you.
If you're thinking it doesn't matter because you're white, you're admitting that this law is racist despite any arguments to the contrary.
Something absolutely does need to be done about illegal immigration into this country. More so about the drug runners. But this is not the way to do it.
I think it's time to watch the movie "Born in East L.A." again. Or for the first time if you've never seen it.
I do not need to watch a movie to know that this law that the wise people of Arizona have enacted is not racist. This law is about illegal immigrants, not a race of people. If the illegals mostly happen to come from one country or race of people there is nothing that the law, you and I or the people of Arizona can do about that.
The same is true about terrorists. Just because most of the terrorists captured are of middle eastern descent does not make the laws against terrorism racist either.
I believe this law should be adopted by all 50 states.
After living in Craig all my life, we moved to Arizona 5 years ago. This law does nothing more than give Arizona law enforcement the same rights as the Border Patrol to enforce our immigration laws. That's all it does. If you are stopped for something, ex: speeding, the first thing you, me, or anyone is ask for is a driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance. If you don't have it, ONLY THEN, can you be questioned. Our borders are wide open. And don't worry about them bringing in drugs. Now they are setting up shop in our National Forests. I have had deputies tell me to never go riding out in the desert without a firearm, and he said it was not to protect myself against 4 legged critters or crawly things. If the federal government would enforce the immigration laws, we wouldn't need for the states to pass laws like this. So, come on down, or stay home. It really doesn't matter to those of us who live here and deal with this every day.
Well, there you go again! How many times do I have to tell you!?!? They are not "Illegal Aliens" nor are they "Illegal Immigrants". Both of those terms are bigoted and degrading. Henceforth, please refer to them by their proper title - - - - they are "Undocumented Democrats".
GlacierDragon, you are making a tired and ridiculous argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the argument you make goes something like this: Since American citizens do not have "citizen papers" that they carry at all times to "prove" they are Americans, neither illegal aliens (from any country), nor lawful immigrants on any of the various visas provided for under the U.S. Immigration Law, should be required to prove their lawful presence here whenever asked by authorities.
Such a crock, GlacierDragon, and you know it. Americans might have drivers' license or State I.D. cards (if they do not drive), or they might have American passports. You are right that there are a few whacked-out states that have issued drivers' licenses to illegal aliens, and that was a huge mistake. It was the result of the same sort of bullying and over-reaching that occurred when the California high school kids bullied others into not wearing the American flag just because it happened to be a Mexican Holiday on May 5th. Are we so cautious about not displaying our flag during Canadian, Irish, British, German, French, Italian holidays? I think not. It was the result of the same sort of bullying and over-reaching that occurred when illegals carried picketsrecently in Arizona that read, "We Have Rights". Really, do you?
As illegals from any country, you have the right not to be shot down in the street for dishonestly and criminally breaking through our borders. If the Mexican President had 2% of the decency and integrity that the foolish Hillary Clinton believes the nimnod to have, then the Mexican government would keep its own thieving citizens out of our country unless they are lawfully invited in.
You have the right to due process during your deportation proceedings. You have the right to due process to defend against the countless crimes with which you are charged here as you victimize countless Americans and lawful immigrants. You do not have the right to throw our generosity in our faces over and over again when you continue to steal from us, and then to show your displeasure with Arizona, when it simply enforces our federal law, which the ball-free Obama is too simple to do, by defecating and urinating all over fresh American produce in order to sicken us with E.Coli. Get out.
Try going to another country and see what happens if you do not have a passport or visa showing you are legally in that country. Our prisons would look like a country club compared to theirs. Try going to Mexico without a passport. Want to guess how much trouble you'll have trying to get back into the United States. Why is it that other countries enforce their immigration and visa laws, but the US is called racist if we try to enforce ours?
Als364, Grannyrett, and Anitadunnce, all of you are right on target! Your posts indicate sound reasoning and a firm belief in the sovereignty of our nation and our right to protect our borders and enforce our laws against attack... from whatever direction that attack may come:
a) from terrorists who want to blow us up in bits; or
b) from illegal alien lettuce and berry pickers who
i. live here free of charge;
ii. carry out kidnappings in Phoenix, which is now the "Kidnap Capital of the World";
iii. bullies who pickets and force our children to turn American flag shirts inside out on May 5th, because it is some holiday the illegals want to celebrate;
iv. illegal alien lettuce and berry pickers who urinate and defecate all over our food (despite the fact they are allegedly so grateful to have the job of picking, since most are illiterate and have no other marketable skills and no reason for any industriaized nation to allow them through its borders) in order to sicken us with E.Coli "just to show us" that they are angry about the Arizona law.
Actually, I know several teachers who are considering making application for Arizona teaching positions, because those will be wonderful jobs after the illegals have been run off.... beautiful sun, no Spanish-speakers dropping into class mid-week because they just ran through a hole in the border fence the night before, and using our precious educational resources for all the individualized ELA attention to teach them some English. In Arizona teachers also will have none of the nonsense we have in Craig, with illegal parents driving their kids to Mexico for Christmas and making a 6-week vacation out of it, so that the kids are not back for semester exams, and the teacher has to do extra work late in January to get the kid through his/her class (so they get that free American education they allegedly are all so thrilled to steal from us). Yes, an America without illegals from any country would be a wonderful and blessed place.... with safer produce that is free of human waste.
We must check out carefully all Colorado gubernatorial candidates. If Hickenlooper is elected, all of Colorado will become the "sanctuary state" for illegals that the City and County of Denver already is. Both front-running Republican candidates have stated that they want a Colorado law just like Arizona's new law. Let's elect one of them so that we can get that law!!
I live in AZ and they needed to do something you cant even go to circle K to get gas without seeing 15 illegals standing around waiting for work and every day on the news here in Pheonix a van,a car,or a truck is pulled over with undocumented workers.Its crazy around here, gated communties with drop houses holding 40, 50 sometimes 60 beat up, dehydrated, starving mexicans.All that does is cost us money and they come right back.Then theres the crime too much to menchen,drugs, gangs, murder, theft, burglery, stolen cars....... I could go on but im not. Im glad they passed this bill I think it will do alot for this state
I agree 100% that something needs to be done about the illegals down there. I lived down by the border in Arizona for over 10 years. Been there, done that, have the break-in damage on my vehicle.
I think more needs to be done than just asking people who "appear to be illegal" for papers. If they get arrested, that's part of what is supposed to be done anyway.
The stuff Chrisbcritr pointed out are all problems, but they all involve things you can be arrested for except being in a drop house. But that's pretty damn obvious they're all illegal. (Loitering in parking lots, looking for work, is illegal in at least some parts of the state. If it's illegal where you are, perhaps you should consider reporting them.)
So all this law does is freak people out about what they need to carry and caused the state to be boycotted.
Drug runners and people movers (Coyotes) are already eluding the law and can even be legal citizens. If you can shut down those two groups and firm up the border so people can't come through, it would be a better angle of approach.
It'll be a good thing if this law makes the illegals feel they need to leave. But probably they'll just get a better fake license or steal someone's identity so they do have their "papers". (Phoenix was at one point the identity theft capital of the US.) But it may make some leave who were already considering doing so because the economy sucks.
And until they start hauling in the illegal Scandinavians with this law, I still call it racist. The intent of the law may not be, this is true. But the enforcement will be.
I cannot believe that a person can be as blind as you are. Calling this law racist is just plain silly. They would start hauling in illegal Scandinavians if there were any.
As I said before this is no more racist or profiling than discovering that all terrorists end up being of middle eastern descent.
More than just looking illegal is necessary. They must be accused of some other offense before this law comes into effect. That makes it no different than the seat belt laws. When they have to stop you for some other offense before the seat belt law come into play.
Laws such as this are necessary to protect those of us that are doing our best to live in this country honestly.
Arizona - The real reason
I'm Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 which I voted for and was just signed by Governor Jan Brewer.
Rancher Rob Krantz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence; Here is just some of the highlights from those who testified:
The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property. One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles.
The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them. If they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border.
The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming; they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life. The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been overrun and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education costs have been over a billion dollars. Their health care costs billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. The border can be secured. We have the technology; we have the ability to stop this invasion.
The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding? The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally. This bill is an effort to try and stop illegal's from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services. It gives the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause like a traffic stop to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote, get a hunting license, etc.. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street etc... The Socialists who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something and that something the Socialists wants us to do is just let them come. They want the "Transformation" to continue.
I was forced to delete some of the email I just posted above. If you wish to read the entire letter, email me at firstname.lastname@example.org, request the Arizona letter and I will forward it to you.
Why is it that we stop all other countries from coming into the United States illegally; however, anyone jumping the fence from Mexico is entitled to the same rights that we have as US citizens? We are the land of the free, and that implies that the citizens’ of the United States of America; not that anyone that wants to come into our country illegally is free. I am not a racist, I am a United States citizen, and these are my rights.
I am curious about the identities of the 59 folks who voted that they disagree with the "new" Arizona anti-illegal immigration law. Are these 59 the computer-savvy school-aged offspring of illegal aliens who steal education, housing, school breakfasts and lunches, emergency room care, WIC food and dairy, and food stamps in Moffat County? To vote that one disagrees with the Arizona law is to vote that one disagrees with our federal immigration law. They are one and the same. Arizona has taken the step to codify the federal law into the State Statute.
This fear-mongering by Obama and his dangerous minions intended to scare people. Attorney General Eric Holder held a press conference about how he opposes the Arizona law, but he confessed that he has never read the 10-page law. We have wild stupidity that passes in this country for elected government officials.
Neither the federal law, nor the Arizona law, grants the right to arbitrarily stop people in the street because they speak Spanish. The so-called "racial profiling" is a non-issue. Instead, when people get drunk and sleep on a park bench, steal from a grocery store, pull a weapon on another, hold up a liquor store, deal drugs, break and enter into a home or business, drive beyond the speed limit, fail to use a seat belt, fail to buckle up their kids, assault a woman or child in an alley, drive through a red light, fail to stop at a stop sign, change lanes without signaling, etc., then law enforcement has "reasonable suspicion" to stop the perp and ask for I.D. Why would illegals assume that they can commit crimes in this country they have criminally invaded without being stopped and asked for their I.D.? The police have been asking Americans for their I.D. in these circumstances for decades.
The difference now, and the reason for the outcry in the most ignorant circles, is that these flippin' cheating, lying, thieving illegals, and their dozens of kids mindlessly spawned, who break and enter into our country, to be supported for free by tax-paying citizens and lawful residents, do not have lawful I.D.
The gravy train stops here. If you are not in our country on a lawful visa, with an I.D. that you have not committed identity theft to obtain, then get out. Just leave. You are not wanted, and you are not valued. Go home. It is not our job to care for everyone from Mexico and Guatemala who is unwilling to make their own government work for them. I am disgusted by Mexico and the Mexican President and all the billions of dollars that our government sends to Mexico, and even more disgusted by all the billions of dollars that illegal aliens wire to Mexico from Walmarts across the U.S.
I will not spend another nickel in Mexico, but I suggest that we all go to Arizona and spend our vacation Dollars in that sunny, law-abiding, courageous state! Then let's elect Colorado officials who will bring the Arizona law to our state.
I have lived in Arizona and New Mexico through out my life and I must say that the illegal immigrant problem is a problem that poses a great threat to not only jobs and social services but to our very way of life. Illegal immigration is a slap in the face of every immigrant who came to this country legally. We need to contain the borders and provide security to those who live near the border.
Read the newspapers from Juarez, Mexico (google will translate it into english) and see what they have to say about immigration and the US. They blame the US for the guns in their country that are being used by cartels to kill their citizens (over 22,500 since fellpe calderon took office in 2006). I do not remember seeing RPGs, grenades, fully auto AKs for sale at the pawn shop in Craig? I wonder if these weapons come from the same place where the drugs come from (Afghanistan and Columbia)? It would make sense to me that a country that has rampant corruption and obviously imports and has established relationships with drug cartels from other nations would also get their weapons through similar channels. Why would someone buy guns from the US (at market value) when they can buy the guns on the black market from the same people that sell them drugs.
Mexico also blames the US for the illegal immigration problem that they have. They demand rights for their citizens who have trespasses into our country!!! This is the same government who passed out maps to the US using "safe" routes with water sources along the way. Mexico has a large portion of the oil fields in the Western Hemisphere and they have nationalized the oil industry, but they do not provide any beneficial programs to the citizens of their country. it is all our fault though. We need to boycott Mexican products and illegals just like LA boycotted AZ products. The federal government is not wanting to protect our borders while they send money to Greece to defend their workers who only want to work 36 hour work weeks and think that 40 hr work weeks are excessive. The country is in a sad state.
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