Do you think there should be a ban on shooting prairie dogs?

Yes 219 votes

42.12%

No 301 votes

57.88%

520 total votes

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mississippisaint 5 years, 10 months ago

yeah i see them, im talking bout the trash talking? isnt there another toopic here

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gem 5 years, 11 months ago

honestly....prairie dogs? all i have to say is go to arvada,co...live near indiana st. and then you'll realize what KEEPING prairie dogs are like. they're all over...they spawn like non-other. and honestly, i'm a liberal person... but go ahead...shoot the prairie dogs...there's worse things out there to ban

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Oh nooooooo! Not a ban on snipe hunting! Next they will ban jackalopes! Then, what next?

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daisyday 5 years, 11 months ago

prairie dogs do not "spawn" like no other. prairie dogs have about three dogs a year and not all of those survive. due to hunting and development, prairie dog populations have declined drastically and the gunnison prairie dog is a formal candidate for the endangered species act. this is not a species that is all over the place, although it should be. prairie dogs are a key species in the prairie ecosystem. numerous other species depend on them for food and shelter, including the endangered black-footed ferret, burrowing owl, swift fox, as well as rabbits, hawks, eagles, etc. without prairie dogs, there is very little life on the prairie - and i have seen cases of this in various natural areas. the city will poison all the prairie dogs and after that you no longer see rabbits or fox or hawks. everything goes away and all you have is grass.

my dad (a conservative hunter) used to shoot prairie dogs for years but the he realised how important (and misunderstood) they actually are and wont shoot them anymore. i wish more people would start learning about prairie dogs rather than believing things they think are true but arent.

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Seaberg 5 years, 11 months ago

It saddens me how misinformed the people of Colorado are that they want to shoot at a native species that now only exists in 1% of its former habitat. The Colorado that they so love was shaped by this keystone species they are now sharing their land with and the multitude of other species that depend closely on the prairie dog for their survival. I hope that the people instead decide to do their part in preserving our vanishing prairies and their surroundings. What may come as a surprise to some of those commenting here is that there is actually positive eco-tourism that occurs from keeping native species in their state and being good stewards of the land they live upon. I hope that future generations may get to see what Colorado was like, not what the misinformed commenting here are too shortsighted to see. They are voting for Colorado to become barren and developed and no longer the beautiful place it was meant to be. Relocation is crucial to this species survival and to the many that depend upon them. Please, do your research, and find out more about our vanishing prairie before nipping your own nose despite your face.

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

With the exception of Daisyday, there is nothing but ignorance, immaturity, and sarcastic rehetoric on this page. What a shame that a serious subject attracts such stupidity. The only enlightened individual to celebrate here is Daisyday's father, who rose above the myth and folklore to learn about the value of a "keystone" species. For those of you out there, who don't understand what that means, it is a species that is essential to the survival of almost a hundred other co-dependent species. For this reason, the state of Arizona just announced last week, their plan to reintroduce black-tailed prairie dogs back onto designated lands, where they were formerly shot, poisoned, and decimated out of existance. Finally, a forward thinking decision by a federal agency, which goes against all the landowner prairie-dogs-R-bad, HYPE!

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

Also, Seaburg comes on with another voice of reason and sanity!

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

With the exception of Daisyday, and Seaberg, there is nothing but ignorance, immaturity, and sarcastic rehetoric on this page. What a shame that a serious subject attracts such stupidity. The only enlightened individual to celebrate here is Daisyday's father, who rose above the myth and folklore to learn about the value of a "keystone" species. For those of you out there, who don't understand what that means, it is a species that is essential to the survival of almost a hundred other co-dependent species. For this reason, the state of Arizona just announced last week, their plan to reintroduce black-tailed prairie dogs back onto designated lands, where they were formerly shot, poisoned, and decimated out of existance. Finally, a forward thinking decision by a federal agency, which goes against all the landowner prairie-dogs-R-bad, HYPE!

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Digger55-You must live in town and have never been bothered by prairie dogs. You don't know the damage they do. We all know that the black footed ferret depend on prairie dogs. We also know what it's like to lose a horse or cow who steps into a hole and breaks it's leg. Ignorant? Maybe we just realize the dangers they pose to farmers and ranchers. Do you?

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Seaberg 5 years, 11 months ago

There has never been a documented case of a horse or cow hurting itself or breaking its leg in a prairie dogs hole, there have been studies on this and in fact the horses and cows are smart enough to side step holes or other obstacles in their paths other that cases of extreme duress in stampede. Typically they know their terrain well enough to avoid these and other obstacles. I used to give guided trail rides for the public when I was young and I certainly know horses are smart enough to avoid these things and when moving cattle they were too. Did you know there have been reported cases where ranchers have allowed people to put prairie dogs on the perimeters of their ranches and that they have saved their ranch and farm from wildfire? The colony actually buffers the spread of the fire along the perimeter and has save farms in Texas? Please do more research or read the research that has been done to dispel myths I'm reading here. Mythbusters should test these things out but then again many scientists and engineering students already have and have documented evidence. Unless there is the need to eat these prairie dogs there is no real justification, in the clay pigeon comment you are already noting another form of marksmanship that can replace shooting something MANY animals and species are dependent upon. This is coming from someone that is a retired veteran, that conducted sniper training for the military and believes in carrying arms, just not being narrow minded about my hobby.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

there is no documented proof? go to the library and pick up a book or two written by Val Fitzpatrick who grew up in this area. He was personally thrown from a horse that stepped in a dog hole and witnessed it on other occasions. Take a drive out into the country and look at some of the alfafa fields that have been invaded by them. These varmits do carry the plauge and other diseases. are they more important than the ranch owners ability to make a living?

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duder 5 years, 11 months ago

The old 'broken livestock legs' myth gets new life whenever the "kill the pesky prairiedogs' crowd need an excuse kill them varmits. It must have made an easy meat source for the Native Indians---all those buffalo with broken legs stumbling across the prairie, trying desperatley to miss P-dog holes! By the way, only about 1% of the redwood forest is left, but I don't want one planted in my front yard. Long live lame logic! Please try to save a very special native species,and stop killing prairiedogs. They aren't perfect like us humans, and with our perfect wisdom, we can salvage a habitat to leave them perfectly alone. Move them--don't remove them.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

I grew up on horses and I am aware that horses have enough sense to avoid walking into a hole but working horses on cattle drives doesn't mean you only walk. sometimes they run and running livestock doesn't have time to avoid holes. Buffalo? my parents raised buffalo there is a huge difference between buffalo and beef. Beef cows are not even smart enough to eat snow in the winter time to keep from dying of thirst. You are seeing what has become of this area not what the old timers had to deal with when they came here. Walk a mile in their shoes before you decide you want to go back to the good ol days before us pesky people showed up on earth and screwed it up for everything else>

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whitten05 5 years, 11 months ago

Are all you bible thumpin tree huggers gonna tear down your houses and donate the land to the prairie dog foundation? You should because im sure that was prairie dog range as well. If not shut up and go away.

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whitten05 5 years, 11 months ago

just because someone doesn't share your views on this doesn't make them ignorant digger. But it sure makes you sound like it.

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whitten05 5 years, 11 months ago

By the way im a veteran as well but that doesn't mean we are experts on this issue. People shouldn't take our word just because were veterns.

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whitten05 5 years, 11 months ago

Just because someone doesn't agree with your view doesn't make them ignorant. But it does make you sound llike it. I am a vetern as well but that doesn't make us experts on the subject. People shouldn't listen to us just because were veterns.

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Seaberg 5 years, 11 months ago

Actually I'm a veteran and have studied this issue far more closely than values going into here. Suffice it to say that I have seen fields where they live, have helped in their successful relocations and seen prairie ecosystems continue when people make more educated decisions on how to steward their land for future generations. My use of being a veteran in this comment blog simply implies that I am not approaching this from a crazed zealot standpoint that some animal rights people take things to but am coming from the point of view that I don't see merit in shooting something that isn't a meat source or needed for subsistence. I am coming from the standpoint that I do believe in hunting if the meat is used and it isn't risking a species that is now forced to 1% of its former numbers, it seems bad to people in Colorado because they have been squeezed to smaller pieces of land and therefore it seems as though their populations are more prolific when in fact they are contributed to making the fertile land what brought farmers to the area, prairies are what made our economy thrive. I also enjoy marksmanship and the right to arms like others here. In the case of stampede as already mentioned in my prior response, yes, falling into a hole or tripping over a rock are a risk for any herded species. A boulder has the same result as a hole, you better get started forming petitions to begin clearing any obstacle you want to place blame or risk to herds about now. Plague? Now that is a hilarious argument. I have my masters in zoology and I find it funny that we push blame to rodents for carrying plague to this day instead of realizing it is spread by infected fleas. So, anything warm-blooded with a pulse falls into this category. I don't think kids playing in a park that get exposed to an infected flea will be put down, what about your outdoor dogs and cats. Do fleas simply pick their hosts? No, any mammal can acquire the plague, best not go outdoors or better yet wipe out everything, now we'll be safe and clean....

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm a veteran as well but I don't expect people to listen because of that. I also don't like people coming in here and deciding that they want to lord over the people who grew up here. if you don't want to shoot prairiedogs don't, but leave other people who do alone. if your a veteran then enjoy your freedoms and let others do the same. I remember the oath I took that day. it was to protect the freedoms ejoyed by all in this country. Not just those of people who get all warm and fuzzy stepping on who ever gets in the way of their agenda. To go out and shoot these cute little creatures you have to buy a hunting lisence and who do you think that money goes to? Our lovely DOW who set up the conservation of all the species within this state. I guess you would like it better if we went back to poisoning them. when you could drive out in the country and see all the other animals laying around the holes that were killed as a result. That was just great. Did you look and see that there is a hunting season on prairie dogs now? They can't be shot on public land during mating and rearing season. Wow what a shock the DOW who gets us overpopulated with deer and elk are going to regulate prairie dogs now. I'll bet they do a better job than the county driving around on fourwheelers scattering grain.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

Lee Harvey Oswald was a veteran too. Does that mean he wasn't a crazed zealot?

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Seaberg 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't expect anyone to listen, just do your homework, research, read more. About the book from Val Fitzpatrick, again, I think that claims made in the book were possibly challenged if I remember correctly and again, under stampede, anything can happen despite the obstacle. Lording over anyone is certainly not the agenda here. I'm sad if positive debate isn't allowed in a public comment. We can agree to disagree but all issues have many points of view, and I am thinking of where Colorado may be in 50 years if they make unwise choices today based on an animal squeezed into a very small area compared to its former range. We are the same in that I too do not like undue government intrusion or rights deprived, we took the same oath. All that is being said here is to make educated, researched choices that show future generations what brought people to the prairie to begin with. What brought the people to Colorado in the first place? There are many things that shape our environment, let's not be short-sighted and impulsive in our actions. I don't recommend poisoning either, there are viable options that are more productive called relocation to areas where they are better suited. That is all that I'm pushing for here, not lording. I can give you names and numbers of people that can help with that endeavor that would be much more economical than shooting and poisoning and much more effective too. Relocation is also more beneficial to the numerous species impacted than the disease that can be spread from dead bodies littering Colorado's landscape, plague filled or otherwise. Relocation can remedy the problem far more effectively over the long haul.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

by your thinking wouldn't relocation disrupt the ecosystem? I can remember going west on highway forty and 318 and going by the towns that had been poisoned you could hardly see a hawk or badger in the country. Now you see many more. I see many solutions to this problem, let the dow seasons work. My father took very good care of the hay fields harrowing disking general things you don't see happening now. Look at the fields around moffat county. Noone takes care anymore. Do yoou remember the early 70s into the 80s here? I do dad took us hunting every year for sage grouse. They were everywhere. What happened? CRP no one raising wheat anymore. the population collapsed. If people don't want them around take care of what they have and prairie dogs won't encroach onto their property. I will not let people come in and slowly erode my freedoms. I will buy my hunting lisence pay for my habitate stamps and countinue to support the organization that manages all the wildlife in this state, without taxpayers dollars but to do that and then have people come in and tell us what we should do burns me. Remember that the greatest conservation movements were started by hunters.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Ignorance seems to be the word of the day. But the ignorance is that of those people who want to kill and destroy, not those who want to save and spread knowledge. Man seems to feel he is dominate over all things and he can do want he wants. Amazing how atheists and people who have no belief in the words of the Bible will spout off... God gave us dominion over the planet and the animals on it. Ok, I agree... but not to destroy the Earth and what God put upon it. There is a purpose to all things. The prairie dogs have their place, more so than many humans I know. There are ways to work WITH the prairie dogs! And by the way, the prairie dogs lived in peace and harmony with the bison without the bison dying off from starvation because the PDs ate the food. What pushed the bison to the brink of extintion????? MAN and HUNTING! But hey, who cares right? Get rid of everything that stands between man and his rights! Seems to me it is not only our RIGHT but our OBLIGATION to protect the species of this planet. Why do so many people feel it is ok to kill and maim. Some seem to never have made it past the stone age in their thinking. People PAY ATTENTION!

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lthompson 5 years, 11 months ago

If you kill to eat, that is a fact of life. If you kill to protect yourself or your family from imminent danger that is what you are supposed to do. If you kill to be "the master" that is just being a bully. Like any animal, don't forget that they have feelings, they love, hate, fear, Yip for joy, snuggle, play, get cold in the winter, hot in the summer, they have families and they mourn for lost loved ones. And these particular creatures work very hard. They do the best they can to do the job they were made to do. It isnt just shooting a target. You are killing an animal that is just minding thier own buisness. If these animals are on your property and you don't want them there, please, be humane. Call the Prairie Dog Coalition, Prairie dog Action, or the Rocky Mountain Animal Defense and see if they can be of service in moving them from your land. These organizations are not your enemy, they are here to be of service to you. This doesn't have to be an area of contention, We can all work together.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

Once again we get people who have no idea what life is like in teh westtrying to determine how things should run here. They talk about books that bias and then believe what other bias people tell them. The palin and simple facts are without the ability to regulate populations they will cause increasing problems. Those problems will hurt the local farmers, ranchers and the environment overall. To let and wildlife population go unchecked is disaterous. Look at elk in RMNP. Pdags are the same way. You take away hunting you are just limiting the ability of the state and private landowners to manage popultations. Hunting/Shooting how ever you define is a very useful cost effective management tool. We do not limit how you treat weeds on your lawn. Do not tell us how to mange issues on ours.

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oldcutup 5 years, 11 months ago

A lot of useful information has been offered to the pro killing of PD rural types on why we should give mother natures sweetest animal a break. It is very obvious that the slow at mind want to be left alone in their stupidity. It's always easier to believe the many fables than to educate yourself with some useful facts. Then use your limited thought process to justify your actions.
I have owned several PD's as pets and can't imagine "taking a bead" through my sites (I hunt also, but for meat that I can eat or give away) to kill one of these precious animals. It must take a special type of person that would kill a helpless 2 to 3 pound ground squirrel. You must go away feeling real good about yourselves. May God bless you and give you mercy when you enter those "Gates".

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

All you prairie dog lovers are so funny. If we don't want them on our property and kill them, we are ignorant, have a God complex or some such rot. Ha ha ha! The reason there are no facts on how many horses or cattle are killed by prairie dog colony's is because ranchers are generally not a whiny lot. They don't go crying to whoever when they lose cattle or a horse. They dig a big hole and bury it. If they can, they butcher the cattle. They don't hurry into town to make a report to the LPDL-{League of Prairie Dog Lovers}. You manage your life the way you want. Stay off our property, out of our lives, and keep your prairie dog pets away from us. We might just make a prairie dog stew and invite you for supper.

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trout2k 5 years, 11 months ago

It seems like this argument is so heated because there may be a bigger issue at hand. Control maybe? Two extreme points of view. I am hearing a lot of all or nothing and "either you're for the prairie dogs or a filthy murderer of god's animals". I am also hearing "either you're pro-killing prairie dogs or you're anti-hunter scum and anti-gun". (obviously I am putting my own thoughts into this) Locals seem to see control of our animals and resources as a form of control from "outsiders". ..and it seems like a lot of outsiders are trying to have their say in a place where they have not yet earned the privilege. Control. To me, I see many truths in what everyone is saying. "Conservation" comes to mind and "middle ground". I see this as an error in our thinking. It just seems like we have to be on one side or another and be very extreme with our points just to achieve middle ground. There is no harm in compromise, in disagreeing or agreeing with the opposite side. Why do we need opposite sides? Why is it so hard for us humans to see something as it truely is? My thoughts on this subject are something like this........why not just shoot the little rascals in places(farms and ranches and range and our back yards) where they are a nuisance and let them be--in places where they aren't hurting anything. It makes no sense to bother something that has not given you any trouble. I see one side being control freaks who are terrified the world is going to end if we kill the 'dogs and another side that seems very ego-driven and full of false pride. I see ignorance on both sides as well as insight.

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duder 5 years, 11 months ago

Sadly, there are some people who will kill anything with a heartbeat, and find some justification. Ironicaly, it's usually for some confused common good. They are always willing to sacrifice a few shells on behalf of some poor rancher or farmer, or controlling certain species population for the general public good. After all, they paid hard earned money for the license, and by God somethings got to get shot. If it weren't for that license money, there wouldn't be anything left to shoot at. The courage and good judgement to shoot things will give them some pitiful satisfaction, and nothing will ever change that. It's some need they have to feel complete, and like they are contributing something worthwhile. Ever draw down on a charging flea infested bull prairiedog with the dreaded plague, trying to protect horse legs and hay fields.....well they're willing to.

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

I think most people have forgotten what is driving the current proposal to ban the shooting of prairie dogs and it was the exposure of a bloody and disturbing video being distributed on the Internet, of hunters gleefully shooting prairie dogs for "sport".

First, I want to whole-heartedly condemn putting sadistic videos of prairie dogs being blown into pink "mist", on the Internet for sport and "entertainment". It is truly a dark commentary on how low our society has fallen. Secondly, I understand the reluctance of landowners, who resent federal agencies telling them what to do on their own land, but ecological protection of an important keystone species must be considered. Studies have shown that prairie grasslands are more diverse and functional, when large populations of prairie dogs are present.

I work with many wildlife organizations and grass roots movements. The talks I have had with numerous individuals in these groups, has always lead to the same conclusion: the pessimistic mind set of ranchers and landowners across the eleven states of black-tailed prairie dog range, has been ingrained from generation to generation. They are only capable of seeing the subject of prairie dogs from their own limited universe. That mind set is very hard to change. On the other hand, there are environmentalists, private citizens, and interested people around the world, who see prairie dog preservation as a moral issue and a subject of responsible stewardship. It has long been a misconception that only "liberals" care about prairie dogs. Many people of all different beliefs, whether spiritual or political, see shooting, poisoning, bulldozing, and paving over populated prairie dog towns:as morally reprehensible.

Why should anyone think, that other opinions about the treatment of a threatened species, are irrelevent, if they have never lived on a ranch? That would be like saying that only people in Alaska, should have an opinion about preserving the Americn bald eagle. The bald eagle is a magnificent bird, but it is not a keystone species, that is vital to the existance of a hundred other animals, birds, reptiles, insects, and plants. Yes, I believe there is a need for "control" in this argument, by landowners, which far outways any interest in being morally correct or enlightened. When it comes to the "kill 'em all" mentality, it is without conscience or ramifications affecting the natural world. It's sad to say, there is not a single thing being been said on this blog, that will change that mind set. It's like spitting in the wind. What a shame!

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Obadiah 5 years, 11 months ago

I agree that prairie dogs are hardly endangered. But shooting them for kicks? Gratuitous violence is wrong, whether it's inner city gangbangers or cowboys.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

We don't have praire dogs running loose in Nevada, but we do have other types of ground squirrels... all related. Several months ago, an "earthen dam" broke causing the levee to flood the homes of the surrounding area. What caused the damn to break? THE GROUND SQUIRRELS! By God, they were digging and weakened the dam. OK that was the orginial story given, and they were sticking to it. However, it was later found out that the dam was poorly constructed and NOT maintained. Seems that had they checked it once in awhile, maybe the holes (if there were any) would have been spotted. It's always the fault of something that can't stand up for itself. Funny when it's proven otherwise huh?

Reading over all the posts here is again quite amusing. I don't live in CO, but believe me if I did, the PDs would be welcome on my property and I would fight anyone with a gun or bottle of poison who thought they knew better than I.

By the logic of some of you, anything that causes problems should be destroyed. Hey, I know a few gangs that love to grafitti the walls... they are causing problems.... do you think they should be destroyed?

I haven't seen the video in question, nor do I plan to. I have seen videos of the killing of prairie dogs. Big men with big guns, sitting there drinking beer (don't deny it) just waiting for the PDs to come out of the hole. No chase, no hunt, no challenge. Can't even take the head home and mount it on the wall in the den. You must be so proud of yourselves.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

everyone thinks that they can come into colorado and inpose their beliefs on the people who live here. Its amazing to me how the anti prairiedog shooting bunch look down their nose at everyone else. Go back to California if you don't like it here. Us uneducated heathuns will manage without you. Fix Nevada before sticking your nose into Colaorado. Take some of that money the government gave you to study and relocate prairie dogs and buy a bag of rice for a needy family. Prairie dogs have feelings, love and respect? Watch them as they eat one another when they get ran over on the road. Is that their funeral service? Fine you don't think its manly or sporting to shoot prairie dogs, don't do it then. Its amazing how you think your the only ones with rights. That because you can insult and down play the intelligence of others it gives you some moral authority over others who don't share your beliefs. No one ever told anyone on this page that they had to go out and shoot prairie dogs no one ever will. You want them as pets go ahead. (isn't that against the law) you want them on your property go ahead NO ONE is stopping you. You want to talk big about other people and their beliefs then have the guts to do it to their face. Don't get tough when no one can see who is spouting off. The people around craig have been shooting prairie dogs for generations its amazing how extintinct they have become they poisoned them over the last two generations that I know of wow theres no more of them. Like I said let our DOW manage them. If there is one thing they have proven it is how to overpopulate a herd.

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oldcutup 5 years, 11 months ago

Ditto's to you PD lovers. What else needs to be said? I have traveled with my PDs and several of those "big" bad PD hunters have held and cuddled one or more of them and they swore not to shoot another one. We stopped in a campground out west and the owner came out and held one of our PD's and said they would never open their Campground again to Those "BIG" bad PD hunters again. There must be a thing about having a "PD Hunt" and then gatering for a weekend to drink beer and shoot 1 Pound PD's for sport??? It sure dose not take much to get your Jo--Y's off. All I can say is Get a life What is it you don't like about Gods little animals?

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

oldcutup: I will say this, the beer and guns theory about prairie dog hunters is a little far. guns and alcohol don't mix you are falling into a trap: stereotyping everyone as a redneck inbreed who crawled out of the cave yesterday. Now go kiss your prairie pup and tuck him into bed real good. We will just have to differ on the basics and leave it at that. I joined the sevice of this country for the rights of everyone not just the ones who would like to make love to a redwood. What I don't like about these little creatures is alfalfa fields where you can't even cut hay anymore because the mounds tear up your equipment and the production goes down. Now I know that its been said here that the prairie dog benifits the natural habitat of the prairie. Thats fine unforunatly that isn't all that they inhabit. One day when all the tree huggers have it their way and all humans are gone from the earth then The prairie dog will be able to camp out where ever he desires. until then take care of yours and I will do the same. Don't get me wrong I don't get involved in organized shoots I don't shoot and drink beer. But I don't look down my nose at those who do out of some supioriority complex. I just don't participate in the activity. I will however shoot them out of a hay field. I won't disrespect you for your love of prairie dogs please don't disrespect others for their ideas.

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

50cal, do you presume to speak for everyone in Colorado? Do you truly believe there is not a single enlightened soul in all of Colorado, who might be opposed to the indescrimate descimation of defenseless animals, just trying to survive in the universe like everyone else? Are you saying there are no human beings living in Colorado, who might embrace other options for removing innocent prairie dogs from their land, than just getting out the old rifle? Are we to believe that all inhabitants of Colorado are narrow minded baffoons, who seek to wipe out everything that becomes an inconvenience to them? I find that to be incredibly presumptuous!
But then, looking at a majority of the comments on this blog, I could be wrong.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

I do not care what you say, they are harmful to the land they cause problems with disease and many other issues. They are not cute and cudely, they are rodents. The same as any other rodent. With out the ability to regulate populations they cause major issues. Again you are not trying to make a living off the land, you do not have the issues they create. The damage to roads, the disease concerns they create. The problems with weeds that they create. All of these are issues they cause.

For those of you that have them as pets. Why? They may make good pets but wild population are totally different. They will actually canabalize thier own kind they will tend to kill and eat the sick, dying and injusred. What is so great about that? They cause concerns with the plague. Yes the fleas are the ones packing the disease, but they create a nice little concentration for the disease to run wild and create outbreaks.

As far as the videos go. I do not like them and do not like the idea of them being produced. It is not my thing. IF the videos are the main issue then but a ban on the videos. DO not limit the states, or the private citizens ability to manage thier lands. However I have no issues with shootingthe dogs at all. Infact I enjoy it and do it to infact help control local populations. I will and always will do it. Nothing you can say will change. It has nothing to do with ignorance. You are ignorant if you believe they are cute cuddley etc. You are ignorant if you belive that they have no negative impact on teh land, ranching, roads, etc. They do and taking away the ability to economically regulate them will only cause more issues.

For those of you Pdog freaks, has anyone here ever said we should eliminate them all? No we all argue we want the ability to mitigate issues. No one here ever said that we hate them and never want to see another walk the earth. We are just fully aware that limiting the public, sportsman and the private land owners ability to mitigate issues they cause is wrong.

The rest of you should worry about issues in your dang state and spend your time trying to save something in real jeopardy. Put your efforts to helping infants of drug using parents, or do something better with your time then worring about a rodent who is surviving just fine.

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bigrred1576 5 years, 11 months ago

AMEN Hunter, yout last paragraph about sums up the whole issue. There are many more things with greater importance than worrying about a little rodent, whom over my 50+ years have been shot at but they are still around

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Seaberg 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm curious why it is believed by the majority here that those commenting in favor of banning shooting have never lived, seen or been around Colorado long enough to know about them. I know many people in Colorado that have figured out how to share their lands with them and are happy to do so. There are ranchers and farmers that have had their land saved by prairie dogs during wild fires. Their entire livelihood saved. I'm happy that we can agree to disagree that is what makes America great. I don't expect for you to agree, am not having a power trip, simply stating another point of view and instead of agreeing to not agree and seeing this as a place to voice different perspectives people are attacking values, etc. It is sad. Just because I have my doctorate doesn't make me better than anyone else (I bet I get hit on this one because no one will take the time to read why I've shared this here and will rush to an attack or value judgement) but in this case there are many years of hard study that back my thoughts of banning shooting. How did these wonderful ranches and farms come into existence in the first place, prairies that were established and fostered by the animals before we came out west. A debt of gratitude that your land is fertile is because of the prairie dog and the numerous animals that helped shape the land we have now. They also help a multitude of other people and their jobs. I don't want people's rights infringed and fight for our freedoms like others here. I do care if your livelihood is impacted by their grazing on your property and I too would want them removed. I wouldn't remove them by shooting them however but would move them to a place where they could benefit others. You will save more time and money by relocation, not shooting and causing further spread of disease when insects infest the dead carcasses that will litter your land. There are people in your state willing to assist you in taking action simply by using your phone.

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CHIP4U 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm with Seaburg and Digger55 on this one. I know Colorado very well and I can say that 50cal and Hunter do not speak for everyone in the state. You guys really need to take a chill pill, go fondle your guns, and get over yourselves. Your school yard mentality is an embarrassement. You obviously are incapable of seeing any other point of view but your own. As for saying, everyone should be spending their time "taking care of infants of drug using parents" or something more important than "rodents", why don't you throw in looking for a cure for cancer or aids, as another stupid analogy. Seriously, the next time you guys have a thought...let it go.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

It is okay to disagree about this issue. It is not okay to call each other names like two children in a schoolyard fight. If you own property and you want prairie dogs on it, that is fine by me. But, if you own land next to mine, keep them home or I will take care of them in the manner I see fit.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

Simple fact, in Colorado there are very strict laws concerning relocation. It can not be done easily, in fact it is against state law for Pdogs to be transported across county lines. Your argument about Pdogs saving from fire is absurd. I do not know where this idea comes from. Fire is also an important part of nature and is necessary for a healthy landscape, most rancher and landowners here use fire as a management tool. If you were a property manager, what would you rather have, the cost of transporting animals that no one wants or the ability to allow a few shooters each year pay for access to cull the population? Some may take them if they are paid money, but for the most part there are not any that would want a few thousand of the critters dumped on the land. In terms of landowners, they can have shooters come for free and help keep animal populations in check. Without this option, they will resort to the use of poison. Think about it. Which death would be better? Slow death and cardiac arrest or an instant death?
To call myself or anyone else here ignorant is ridiculous. We live here with the issues, we can be as well studied and educated as anyone else. No one has really argued that they must disappear from the earth. What we are arguing is over a potential control method. The options are as follows. Poison, which will be the primary answer. Poison also kills out entire colonies all at once. Shooting which has never to my knowledge or the research I have reviewed caused an entire population to disappear. Or transport someplace else. The transport piece is against state law. Simply put there just is not any places where the number of Pdogs that cause problems can be transported. I am all for is conserving land and areas for all wildlife habitat. If we do not do this especially in the front range area the Pdog problems will become more extreme. Nature has certain rules and ways that it works. Unfortunately man has developed too much land, for many of these rules to work. Under normal circumstances Pdog colonies have progressed across the landscape coming and going with available vegetation. That process has been eliminated due to development. The towns simple can not move to new areas. As a result the colonies get stuck, become overpopulated and destroy the land. There has simply been too much human interference for nature to work in natural ways. Instead of keeping a healthy population individual towns strip the land of vegetation and eventually become over populated. This overpopulation is more detrimental to Pdog health and numbers than anything else. To keep the population in check the Pdogs will have to die, either by starvation, poison, a bullet, disease etc. Regulated shooting (which is what we have) is one tool that can be used to protect this species.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Digger55-You amaze me. If you disagree with someones viewpoint, they are a narrow minded buffoon. If they agree with you, they must be brilliant! You sound like the old schoolyard bully. Most people who call themselves environmentalists seem to feel this way. It is a very closed minded part of our society, yet it is one of the most vocal. Prairie dogs are not pets. They are wild animals. As with all wild animals, the DOW has policies to protect them. First of all, they can not be kept as pets. Second, they are not to be fed. Third, they are not to be transported. The true environmentalists are the farmers and ranchers who deal with them all the time. They are the ones who take care of this land. You might go visit some of them and ask what problems. There are some who have written letters to the editor. Why not give them a call and see if they will show you the problems they have with prairie dogs? You never know, you just might learn something.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey granny... just an FYI... ranchers DO in fact scream and yell. They cry to the govenment. They falsify information. Most have a lot more money than the TREE HUGGERS and therefore are in the governments back pocket. SHOW ME ONE STUPID HORSE THAT FELL IN A HOLE and hurt itself. NO, don't tell me "well my friend said... " SHOW ME PROOF! I know relocators who have attended forums and conferences regarding this problem and when the comment came up... NOONE, NOT ONE PERSON could say it had happened to them, but they all had friends. Horses are not that stupid. Humans are. Sorry, it's a fact that I have had to come to accept over the years.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

And to the others: Yes, I currently live in the city, not by choice, but because it is where the jobs and schools are. When I complete my degree, I will be out with the animals working with and protecting them from people who want to destroy them. Hey, did your ancestors hunt the dodobird? Yep, it was real. And due to the same type of theories you all exhibit, it is now extinct. All the Tree Huggers are asking is to take a look at other ways. Yes, I do feel what you believe is wrong, but that's because I was brought up differently than you. Obviously, I was taught to respect the flora and fauna of the world. By the way, I don't destroy dandelions either. Nor do I believe that if an animal such as a lion/tiger/bear at the zoo attacks someone, it should be killed. Almost ALWAYS it is eventually found out that the HUMANS involved were the ones doing WRONG (teasing and terrorizing) but it is the animal that is punished.

I am currently working on a research paper on this very subject. I have to be honest, I can SORT OF see where you are coming from regarding the animals destroying your lawn. But should that be a death sentence? I guess I believe the animals have rights and someone has to be their voice. I for one am willing to be that voice along with the others that have chosen to be a voice and one day we will be finally heard. Unfortunately, it may be when the animals are gone, not just meaning the PDs but all the animals that depend on the PD for survival. Are you even aware of the ecosystem you live in and what you are doing to it. And by the way, just for the record, the prairie dogs were here first, we encroached upon them. Just as we have done to the indians that were here before any of us. But that is the American way, isn't it. Hey if you want to kill something, maybe you could join up in Bush's armed forces. I'm sure he could use you.

Do I sound a tad irritated and sarcastic? You're damn right I am. I have seen first hand the result of the killing of animals. You are not just killing that one animal. If you happen to kill a nursing female, the pups all die also. Hey, 5 for the price of one! It truly disgusts me that people who have supposed intelligence lower themselves to this level. KILL and DESTROY and then attempt to justify what you do. I have news for you. We are not here forever, and it is sad what we, the intelligent species are doing to our planet. You don't believe me, there are some great movies out there... watch them... learn from them. Think about your children, what are you teaching them. Just to let you know, there are better ways to remove PDs from your property if you really want them gone than to kill them. Relocators are more than happy to help you. I know several in CO... I'll be happy to share their phone numbers with you.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

And Finally... For the record I do believe in HELL. And for those of you who kill, I hope your HELL is all the animals, coming back to you and chewing on your face for all eternity.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Uhhh Granny... regarding Prairie Dogs as pets... I hate to tell you this YOU ARE WRONG! Do your research! I speak from KNOWLEGE and EXPERIENCE. True maybe NOT pets in CO, but saying PDs are not pets (in general)... don't speak on something you don't know about.

And speaking of ranchers... why don't YOU visit some of them who have opened up their land and are welcoming the PDs onto it, knowing how the land is actually improved by them living there. Might just open up your eyes to reality not myths.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

OH WOW... .we just had an earthquake... must be the ground squirrels and prairie dogs.

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Digger55 5 years, 11 months ago

NVPDLOVER. I greatly appreciate your comments and your passion. I, too, have posted several times on this issue. I can relate to the frustration you feel, because I am staggered by the fabrications, falsehoods, myths, and out right lies, these people are willing to tell, in order to justify their superior "Prairie Dog" position. The man-should-dominate-all animals, is a particular gem of backward thinking. These are people who believe an animal that has had 98% of the population irradicated from their original lands, is not threatened, just because they can look out in their field and see "tons of the varmits". So, by that definition, prairie dogs can't possibly be considered "endangered." Ignorant? There 'ya go.

OH! And I really liked the one about lead not being a problem in dead prairie dogs. Let's suspend reality for, like, one nanosecond. They outlawed living things eating lead paint decades ago. So, eating a body laced with lead from exploding shells is no problem. Geez! There was a major independent study done, for the Forrest Service, that proved lead infested bodies of prairie dogs, in the food chain, did show traces in carcasses of other dead animals, who had prayed on the prairie dog bodies. They also revealed the stress caused to surviving prairie dogs, when rampant shooting was going on by the gleeful "hunters", and that it affected their hormone levels, reproductive activity, eating habits, and behavioral patterns.

Well, NVPDLOVER, I am done with these fools. Most of them will probably go out and shot twice as many prairie dogs, just for for spite and to make themselves feel superior to all things. I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do, but frankly, my time will be better spent doing other things. Picking lint off my jacket will be more productive.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

NVPDLOVER-Amazing, just amazing. If I don't agree with you, I am ignorant, stupid, or just a redneck beer guzzler. Just amazing! I never speak about things I don't know about. I lived on a ranch in this area for years. I have seen the destruction they do to fields and pasture land. I never have ask the government for help. I'm a big girl. I can help myself. Don't need the government to help with stupid prairie dogs. You do what you want. I have read back over all my posts, and not once have I resorted to calling anyone names. We that live here and have had problems with prairie dogs could tell you are a city person. We could probably go through each of these posts and tell which ones are city folks and which have lived or presently live in the country. We are an independent bunch of people who don't like being told what to do or how to live by someone who has no idea what our lives are like. Nothing I, or anyone else can say will change your mind. That's okay-after all, this is a free country. You manage your land the way you want to. We will take care of ours.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

I've decided to use some of the comments here in my research paper for class. They prove the point I'm trying to make. Thanks!

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Craig_gal 5 years, 11 months ago

wow, I got a headache trying to read all of these comments! I wonder why all of these "concerned environment readers" arent bringing up the fact that millions of trees are destroyed in Colorado NEVER to be replaced by the ski industry, goodness sakes when I drive through steamboat and look up at what should be a "glorious mountain site" I see baron land striped of all of its natural beauty, just for the satisfaction and enjoyment of people (gasp). If you want a real challenge shoot the prarie dogs and go after those who make a profit by destroying hillsides. rah rah

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Um Granny, never called you ANY of those things... not once. Very careful NOT to. Don't be so defensive!!! Funny you said the same things in an earlier post to someone else! Are these things you think about yourself?

I told you to get your facts straight regarding pet prairie dogs. THEY ARE PETS. I have three! Each with a different personality. Smart and incredible pets. I've had PDs for over 10 years now. I've had up to 25 at one time. Each one individual.

You sound like an "old dog" who not can't learn new tricks but who refuses to acknowledge there are any to learn. Personally, I am willing to learn something new. Show me... give me proof to what you saw. I and others have given examples, shown reasoning, etc. You just say "i'll do what I want!" That's not enough to convince me. I'm sure you are a BIG girl who is trying to justify herself. By the way, I am a COUNTRY girl living in the city at this time, who can't wait to return to the good life. You amaze me. You are the one who will have to answer to a higher being (oh you don't belive in that either) for what you do and what you believe.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Hi Digger! Yep I'm with you! I've read more information on this topic in the last few weeks due to my research paper. Amazing information is out there if chosen to be read. I think that's the info you and I and seaberg and a few others are trying to share, but people refuse to accept scientific facts. Of course I think there are people who still believe the world is FLAT! One day the message will be listened to. I know there are many of US doing what we can and we won't give up. I think it's so sad to find people set in false beliefs who refuse to see beyond those beliefs. Keep up the good fight Digger, I'm on YOUR SIDE!

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

You can cite whatever information you want. I have seen the independant report/study done. It was bogus and full of bull. It had major flaws in the science used to produce the results. It also had major flaw in that the people funding the study were groups composed of people just like you who think they understand things with out ever getting thier hands dity. Cut it however you want. In the end comon sense and good science won out. We can still shoot them and will continue to use shooting as a means of population control. Once the season opens here I a going out to take a few of the lands to help mitigate the population issues we will have this spring.

NPDlover. are you serious a paper using my thoughts and opinons. Great. Atleast there will be one or 2 sentences in you paper worthy of reading. Therest of it will be lop sided opinons of a person who does not really know anything on teh subject.

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auntrattie 5 years, 11 months ago

Its deeply troubling to me that man has not learned to leave the natural environment alone as much as it is within our perview to do so. Have we learned nothing at all in our short sojourn here? We are facing rising fuel and food prices, the unprecedented severity of hurricanes, droughts, tornados, monsoons ... and we, the human race, have knocked the earth off its very axis, having done more damage in the last 300 years to the very fabric of life itself, our air and water, than in the entire preceeding 4000 years of humankinds habitation here. People wipe our a species then decide to replace it, they drop millions of seedling trees into the everglades only to learn 40 years later that the trees have stopped the waterflow of this precious ecosystem. They burn thousands of acres of trees and then learn that the earth erodes away and that destruction of the wildlife habitat has caused non-native species to flourish, wiping out entire populations of necessary birds and wildlife. One part per thousand of our oceans waters are now polluted with plastic, 90% of the large seafish are gone due to overfishing. The reefs which are the filters of our ocean are bleaching and dying in record numbers.

We're in trouble, folks, and if you don't believe it then go your merry way, shooting what displeases you, and ignore the fact that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. You have the lawful right to do so. And If you want to hang the phrase "hugger" around the necks of those that believe in preserving and protecting what God has given to us, then go ahead. It doesn't bother me a bit. But maybe, just maybe, you might want to attend a Bioneers conference, or read some of the very troubling data that is being printed everywhere these days about what man's meddling with the earth has done, and then maybe, just maybe, you might want to rethink what something as seemingly simple as wiping out a native species might start ... in a long chain of events that will, eventually, hang the noose around your own neck and that of your children.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

wow what a colorful group we have assembled here. I'm glad to see that the wildlife commision used their brains not their hearts. I think I have a solution that everyone can agree on. since everyone that has written on this issue is so concerned about NWCO. maybe you've seen in the paper that we have a hospital that will be empty in a couple of years. A need for a rec center and a prairie dog problem. I propose that we get a grant from the government (which I'm sure the sniper zooligest could help us out with), get NVPDlover to redecorate and knit sweaters for the pets and relocate them onto the site of the old hospital. Each of the little pets could have their own condo safe within the city limits where noone could shoot them. Then we could enslave those pesky teenagers and have them collect the prairie dog poop depositing it on the back half of the property. Thus we could eleminate the need for a rec center. With the prairie dog poop we could produce methane and power a gas turbine generator for the new hospital and collage. I'm sure my brother in-law could provide a nice set of blue prints to the earth liberation front to build it. This would undoubtedly bring in tourists by the rail car( we would get that new light rail system from steamboat) logding would go up so the new lodging tax could pay for NVPD lovers wages since we would have to have a tour guide. See this could be a win win situation. Of course we would still have to do that mill levy in the end to put flea collors on all of them. Because god forbid the two year old next door get fleas and have to be put down because of the plauge.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

AUntrattie,

Your food cost might be up, but gues what, it is iin part due to the cost associated with pest on teh land. Again these are pest and no one inthis post said to force the critters to extinction. SImply put, we want the ability to limit the problems caused by the pest. Without it our cost will go up. We will always have an effecto nteh environemnt and the environment will have an effect on us. There will be times where we mess things up and other times where we make them better. Shooting pdogs is not going to mess up the world. It is not going to cause massive problems like you mention in your post. IT will allow for producers to use more cost effective means to mitigate the negative problems they cause on land used for food produciton.

Your cost of food might be going up. Guess what my cost is remaining relatively stable. Box of ammo $20, gas $30, lic. $70, packing and wrapping $10. The amount of good clean helathy food from wildgames for me and my family = yummy.

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rhammel 5 years, 11 months ago

Now we can all wait and see what US Fish and Wildlife does on the listing petition. Former Asst Sec of Interior Julie McDonald meddled (screwed with the science) with the listing petition and FWS has to address the issue all over again. If they list the little critter, no amount of public outcry will help.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

chip4u wow when someone is saying that hunters are all beer drinking rednecks who stand around shooting their guns at anything that moves theres not a word out of you. when I say that thats not the way all of us act you come unglued. isn't that special. seaburg: What can I say, most of us (the majority) are not baby boomers who are ready to protest at the drop of a hat. Who want to impose our beliefes on others and have not lived in connunmist collages for so long that we seek to impose our idiolagy on others for the gain of our comrades. If anyone thinks that the majority would allow beer drinking and filming of red mists flying through the air it would not be allowed in my circles. That is not the way ANY ethical hunter would act. At the same time we should not allow the eroding of our freedoms to go unanswered. So to the duck squeezers out there smoke another joint, make love not war, if your worried about global warming do your part by not adding to the high levels of corbon dioxide and STOP BREATHING your polluting my air.

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Littlekat 5 years, 11 months ago

Hunter - What gives ANYONE the right to call any species PEST? For in my mind, people that kill are the true vermin in the world. Cases in point - Sadaam Hussein, Osamma Bin Laden, Charles Manson - yet to me, these people are no worse than HUNTERS. People that kill and take lives for fun. Now THAT is wrong - THOSE are the true pests. So you are one of millions that use eating them as an excuse to kill? I am in the medical field, and people that are vegetarians are healthier for it - I won't mention all the illnesses meat can cause. I've seen it over and over. People do not need meat. Some just choose to be cannibals, simply because they want to. I have heard that excuse a million times - I eat what I kill. Believe me, a day will come when you will see how wrong this is. Prairie dogs are not born for target practice or for meals. LEAVE NATURE ALONE.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

Oh god now the food police. I'm on a vegitarian diet as well. I only eat vegitarians although Imust say it was hard to grill them up yesterday with the wind and snow.PD lover I hope your busy knitting them sweaters.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

Littlekat,

Call it what you will. Now I am on the same page as mass killers like Osama and Hitler? I do hunt and hunt for both food and recreation. In general I do eat the animals I kill, or tan the hides. On some occasions I kill a few animals that are causing damage harm to human interest. Your arguement is absurbed. Not all vegetarians are healthier. The vast majority of research on vegetarians can not and do not conclude that the veggy eaters are healthy cause they do not eat meat. They do however find that they are more healthy minded over all. It really has nothing to do with eating or not eating meat, but how they live. I eat meat and am as healthy of a person as you might find. If you do work in the medical field shame on your for letting subjectivity override objectivity. A well balance meal and diet consisting of animal protiens is healthier over all and better at meeting the body nutrition needs. It is all about moderation. The human body and brain have evolved over several thousands of years. As a result we have enjoyed a diet of both meat and veggies. This diet of meat and the induction of animal fat lead to the increased size of the human brain and the ability of higher level thinking.

Animals are pest when they cause negative issues. I am sure you would gladly walk around with pubic lice (aka crabs) if given the opprotunity. After all they are a natural occurance. I on the other hand would prefer not to have them. I am also certain that you would allow every moouse in you neghborhood the ability to frequent your house and take your food at will. After all it only nature and we must let them be. Heck maybe killer bees should be given the ability to nest in your attic. You can keep your pointless arguments to yourself, keep your pest.

I can not and will not leave nature alone. AS man has changed the landscape, so has his need to manage wildlife. If I did not hunt there would be no population controls around other than disease and starvation. No matter how you cut it nature will never be truely natural agin until all of man leaves the earth.

Hopefully for the sake of your paitence you are a janitor at a hospital. Surely a well educated person would understand the definition of cannible. Hopefully for your patience sake you can use common sense instead of pure emotion to drive your treatments are medical decisions.

Again call me what you will. It will not stop me from eating meat, it will not force me to change any of my ways as your arguements are based on feelings and not on facts.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey native youre right "you picked the wrong group of people to jack with" I thought I was talking to intelligent individuals. RE: Plague... I implore you, as I did granny, SHOW ME ONE CASE Prove it to me. Sorry I believe scientists over folk lore.

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auntrattie 5 years, 11 months ago

I think that its interesting that us "tree huggers, dog lovers, veg heads" etc ad nauseum .... don't generally PERSONALLY attack the others on this forum that share opposing views. This forum is meant, or so I supposed, to air our views on one small portion of a global issue: the fate of a prarie dog community. Yet some on here would resort to childish name calling rather than maturely reading other comments and considering them. This lack of tolerance for other viewpoints in an admittedly imperfect world chock full of varying viewpoints, only excaberates the downward spiral of human intolerance for each other.

To point fingers individually is an exercise in futility that, ironically, also starkly highlights the accuser's own inadequacies, as well as serving to deepen the collective despair that many of us feel when faced with incredibly serious issues (such as the fate of mankind) that are ridiculed by the clownish, the unwise and the unenlightened.

Jed Clampetish "humor" ridiculing and demeaning other people's dietary preferences, religous beliefs or environmental mindsets are not what these forums are for, nor does it serve to creatively solve a single issue. Instead, it seeks to destroy or annihilate any individual that shares an opposing viewpoint. Welcome back to the Neanderthal age .... where the large footed and the brutish seek to destroy anyone or anything that looks different than they do.

As far as calling prarie dogs "vermin", its possible that Webster.com would help enlighten anyone who so blithely condemns a race of creatures with that moniker. At least it would help with the grammer and spelling part. I'm not at all sure about the rest.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

All prairie dog lovers-I am so grateful that all you were not around when dinosaurs were roaming the earth. Geez, we'd have to have dino hunts to keep our livestock and hayfields safe. 50cal-I am working on a pattern for knit PD sweaters. Let me know when you need it.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Native ...I still want to know from this group where our rights as property owners begin. If a group of homeless people moved on your property, dug burrows in your yard and decided to live there, uninvited, you would be screaming your head off... personally, I would invite them in, give them food and water and help them find a job and permanent home... but... that's just the kind of person I am. Hey by the way, good luck on the (cough cough) paper you are writing. YES I really am a student and writing this paper. Showed my teacher this blog today, he loves it. I just have to be sure to cite it correctly. That's the tricky part! LOL

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

The human ... brain have evolved over several thousands of years. Some seem to still have a caveman mentality. (AND don't even start on the STUPID Geico caveman.)

WELL SOME HAVE.... couldn't resist!

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Hunter, by your thinking - "an animal is a pest when it causes negative issues"... Humans equal animal equal extreme negative issues... can we shoot them?
The human species is the most over populated and destructive species on earth!!! Where is the justice?

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

NVPDLOVER----You want facts? I have seen the damage they do. I have lived on a ranch. I have stepped on a tunnel and had it cave in beneath my feet. I didn't write a paper and have it published. I have lived it. But, I suppose because I don't have it all documented, you won't believe it. Too bad. It isn't livestock stepping in holes. It's about ground giving away beneath you. It is very easy to tell you have NEVER been around a ranch where they are a problem. You have a very closed mind about it. You are right and everyone else is wrong. Someday, maybe, you will learn that a closed mind never learns anything. You take everything and skew it around to fit your facts. If you weren't so dangerous to my freedoms, I would feel sorry for you. Try to open your eyes and realize that there might be some facts here that you hadn't thought of. You state it's sad for so many people to cling to false beliefs and refuse to open their eyes to the truth. I agree with you. You have totally closed your mind to the truth. You refuse to believe anything the people here have said about their real life experiences with prairie dogs. Why? I agree with you that beer guzzling, high power rifles, and wanton destruction of wildlife is wrong. I don't care who does it. It is wrong. BUT, you have not lived in my part of the world. You have not had my life experiences. You do NOT have the right to tell me that the way I live my life, protect my livelihood, care for my animals, make my living, and care for my land is wrong. Go ahead and put this in your fancy paper. You only want the facts that prove your point. You have closed your mind to the truth. It's sad that there is only your truth.

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NVPDLOVER 5 years, 11 months ago

Granny... I have a closed mind?... yep ok... I'm not the one who can't see things for what they are. If you look back in the posts, you will see I stated "I UNDERSTAND" what you percieve the problem to be. I simply am stating there are other options to shooting an animal. I have read so much on this topic lately, and I never intended to get caught up in this. I'm not trying to justify my position. I am stating facts, just as Seaberg did. A lot of research has be done. FACT: PDs do not carry or spread plague. Your family cat and dog have more a chance of doing so. Why? Because PDs do not have immunity to the plague and usually die from it within days.

I'm sorry but I have to admit, I got a weird visual of you falling into a pd "tunnel". Are you sure it was from PDs? PD burrows are DEEP in the ground, with several of feet above them. The only place they are close to the surface is near the hole itself. Now if you were close to a hole, well, what were you doing there in the first place? If you were anywhere else, (please don't be offended by this) you must be one heck of a HEAVY gal for your weight to have the ground fall beneath you from a PD burrow several feet below the earth. Honestly, I suspect it had nothing to do with prairie dogs. Earlier you stated that horses and cows DO get hurt from falling in the holes, but ranchers just don't make a big deal about it, now you state it's not about them stepping in holes. Let's get the facts (myths) straight.

Just as you earlier told me I called you stupid and ignorant and a redneck. --"nvpdlover-Amazing, just amazing. If I don't agree with you, I am ignorant, stupid, or just a redneck beer guzzler. Just amazing!"-- Not once. I've learned long ago name calling gets you nowhere. I think us tree huggers have just been trying to persuade y'all there are options. But I realize now, that it's easier to keep doing what you know (killing and destroying) rather than give something new a try. You state I don't believe real life experiences. That is not true. I just think there is a bit of embellishment involved. It's natural.

There is a big difference, by the way, between ignorance and stupidity. I can forgive ignorance.

I don't claim to be smarter than anyone else. But I do claim that I am probably a lot more caring about MANY things, including the prairie dogs, than many of you. Yes I care about the homeless, the sick, abused children and elderly. I've learned that sharing and giving, whether with a child, an animal or who/whatever is what I do best. Maybe I am niave, but I have this dream that I will make a difference in some way good. Yeah, I still believe in fairy tales, and I like it that way!

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

NPDLover,

Look at the facts the plague is alive and well in teh PDOG towns. Even the city of boulder often has areas closed down due to plague. When you walk near several Pdog towns near the Denver area they all have warning signs. It does exist, and if given the cchance will catch up with ya. If your so positive, come on out I will let you roll around in a town that test positive for plague. There are atleast with in 25 minutes of my houser that consistently test positive for it. Do we have a problem wit hit infecting us? No because we have the good sense to realizer that they are rodents and they carry disease.

You teacher must be about as liberal and uninformed as you are if they enjoyed the post here. Personnally I give you no rights to qoute and of my post here. Infact with out having my propper name and documentation it would be against the law.

Things do happen. I have had equiment damaged by falling in a collapsed tunnel. The dog will burrow under main roads and eventually it will collapsed. Try hitting a 3 1/2 foot deep pot hole going 45 miles and hour. That is what it does.

Look for real facts on Pdogs. Not just what the PETA, Earth Gaurdians etc. want you to believe. Look at the major studies done by the state wildife boards and other researchers. Look for real studies not juat someone else interpretation of the study. You will find things that are contrary to you arguments. Actually call up and interview a couple landowners from here. They tend to be the hardest working most honest people you will meet. Ask them what they have seen. No we do not document every case, but I can send you $2800 bill I recieved about 3 years ago form hitting a pdog hole in a county road.

Let me know what studies you have actually reiviewed. Show me your proof that Pdogs have no negative effects. I have never seen good science to support that only emotional pleas based on subjectivity.

PS I do not drink and I do not kill things for fun. Even if I did it is none of your business. I am totally sure you would just let a bunch of hobos move into your front yard. Can I have your adress. I know some people pretty hard off they would love to take advantage of you and slowly break you.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

It is more than just breaking egs in holes. It is also about the damage they do availible feed. The weed issue they present, and the erosion that can occur, etc. Until you tr making a living off of the ground you will not and can not understand. If your pasture = pounds of weight gained by your stock, and pounds of weight gained = money in your pocket. Then you dso not want anything hunrting teh quality of the pasture. Especially somehting that is relatively easy to contain.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey guys, a mind closed is not going to learn anything. Animal rights activists only see the things they want to see. They skew the facts to suit their purpose. They will never visit a ranch/farm where there is a problem with pd's. I am a liar. I embellish facts to suit my purpose. Ranchers are liars and do the same. It wouldn't matter if I swore on a stack of bibles. These are city folks who do not even know the directions to the country. They will never work and hold a real job because they are so busy writing papers to make your life miserable. They think they are superior to you because they are going to save the world and you are part of the problem. You don't matter. Your livelihood doesn't matter. They are right and if you don't agree with them, you are ignorant. WHAT A JOKE! If they weren't so dangerous, it would be funny. I'm done with this jackass---oops, maybe that is an endangered species too. nvpdlover-I have never been overweight. Bet even at my age I got more muscle than you.

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auntrattie 5 years, 11 months ago

NPDLover - for what its worth, I agree with you completely and consider you a fine human being, compassionate and intelligent.

Insensitivity to issues relative to the "vermin" on this earth have led to more abhorrant practices than I care to relate here, especially given the culture .... yet one very recent issue comes to mind .... did you know for example that they are currently poisoning rats, over 3 million of them, on Rat Island in the Aleutians? The rats "infested" the island in 1680 when they escaped a sinking pirate ship.

The only people that protested the mass poisoning were myself and one other individual. They (the Alaskan quasi-governmental agency responsible for this disgusting debacle) claimed the rats were "nonnative species". I'm wondering how native you have to be to claim to be a native species. My own ancestors arrived here to the US later than that ....

I also take serious exception to poisoning any creature. I only wish 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' would apply to those eager to wreak a tortuous and lingering death by way of poison upon creatures unable to defend themselves ....

At any rate, lets just all say we agree to disagree. There is no need for hostility. We all came into this world the same way, and we're all leaving it the same way. And, thankfully, the earth will survive with or without us ... or despite us, as the case may be. And that's just fine with me.

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mississippisaint 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey all, reading thru the comments and came across some statement i am curious about, how does being a veteran apply to this topic? i mean no disrespect, but just curious.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

wow, took me forever to find this page again. well miss. saint. some one named seaburg justified his comments by saying that statement. there are so many things to answer here. anyone who doesn't want their rights trampled on is in the minority, inbred. and doesn't speak for anyone else in colorado. but those who are enlightened and progressive are always right and can say anything about anyone and get away with it. always a one way street. just remember when you get our rights taken away no one will be there to protect yours. love to meet some of you face to face. NVPD humper better cut the sleeves off them sweaters its getting hot now, we will need life jackets now the rivers flooding. the prairie dogs are so worried they are constipated we need you up here to suck the turds out. seaburg I really hope you didn't train me way back when. shame to see someone go to collage become elite, stay in circles that make you feel like you need to tell every one else how to live. to all the rest hunter, native, and I will be coming out with a cook book to justify killing little tykes.aunt rat what can i say your name speaks for its self although it must have been some interesting breading if your a rats aunt (sick family). as i've said before you let people who have your same view point insult us and when we get mad enough to insult back then once again we're the bad guys. Mmmm shish kabob. Granny forward all patterns to NVPD humper.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

link to other dicussions and you will find them

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50cal 5 years, 10 months ago

your right miss saint. trash talking on newer topics is allot more fun see you in the funny pages

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mississippisaint 5 years, 10 months ago

aiight maybe you lost me, but debate is one thing, calling out people is another. I enjoy reasonable debate but theres a limit because nobody really knows who each other is on here, and you could easily write a check that you wont be able to cash

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50cal 5 years, 10 months ago

well you see miss you can click on any ones name you want on this and email them if you have a problem. then you can meet up or discuss things privately. If you read all this then you will see that i have always said that i'm tired of other people walking on my rights for their special rights. so a bunch of people want to start regulating what can and can't be shot. I don't care if you like it or not to me thats infrenging on my rights now you want to do that i have a problem with that if you have a problem with calling people who have differnt ideas than you names as has been done here then you snap back and your the bad guy so i'm the bad guy put your clicker where your mouth is. If i can't handle it I will take a ass kicking so bring it.

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