Craig businesses cited for selling alcohol to minor

Violations

Craig Police Department liquor license compliance checks cited the following businesses for selling alcohol to a minor:

• Carelli's, 465 Yampa Ave.

• Casa Loya, 351 Ranney St.

• Craig Liquor, 391 Lincoln St.

• Fiesta Jalisco, 410 Ranney St.

• J W Snacks Gulf Coast Bar and BBQ, 210 E. Victory Way

• Kum & Go, 1302 W. Victory Way

• Kum & Go, 700 E. Victory Way

• Loadout Liquors, 1800 W. U.S. Highway 40

• Pizza Hut, 1070 W. Victory Way

• Safeway Food & Drug, 1295 Victory Way

— Another liquor license compliance check, another 10 citations.

The Craig Police Department tested 28 liquor license holders in Craig on May 3, of which 18 refused to sell alcohol to a minor.

The other 10 allegedly did, however, and include four local businesses that also failed a similar Police Department compliance check Jan. 11. The previous check also resulted in 10 citations for Craig businesses.

The east and west Kum & Go locations - which the Craig City Council admonished for being repeat offenders at the March 4 Liquor Licensing Authority hearings - are serving 10-day license suspensions that started Monday.

The council, which serves as the city's Liquor Licensing Authority, ordered both Kum & Go stores to serve immediate suspensions if they were cited for license violations within six months of the March hearing.

Safeway Food & Drug and Fiesta Jalisco - both cited in January, sentenced in March and cited again last week - are awaiting liquor license hearings for penalties. Those could include license suspensions or deferred suspensions such as the Kum & Go stores previously received.

Other businesses cited May 3 for selling to minors were Carelli's, Casa Loya, Craig Liquor, J W Snacks Gulf Coast Bar and BBQ, Loadout Liquors and Pizza Hut. None of those received citations in January.

Officers were disappointed to see some of the same businesses cited from the latest operation, Capt. Jerry DeLong said.

"It's very discouraging that we have repeat offenders," he said. "The majority of (liquor license holders) do the right thing, but when you do compliance checks and have repeat offenders, it's very discouraging."

The Police Department conducted the latest compliance check operation the same way it did in January, by using an area minor to try to purchase alcohol without officers present.

In both cases, the minor used a legitimate driver's license.

"We do not send them in with false ID's," DeLong said. "There were several (license holders) that did not look at the ID There were some of them that did look at the ID."

Although the last Police Department compliance checks before January's operation were about year before, DeLong said the department followed up this time within a few months because of the City Council's concerns.

"The City Council made it clear they wanted (liquor license compliance) checked again within the next six months," DeLong said.

He added the department will continue compliance check operations in the future.

Exactly how the City Council will handle future liquor license violations is uncertain.

The City Council would like to appoint an administrative hearing officer to simplify and streamline the liquor license hearing process in the future. If the Council passes an ordinance appointing a hearing officer, it also would adopt a uniform penalty code.

Councilors have said both steps would help make liquor license violation penalties more consistent.

The city's recent restructuring plans for how it handles liquor license violations should not affect businesses cited May 4, City Manager Jim Ferree said.

Those businesses likely will appear before the City Council in the future. Ferree said the Council might look at setting a hearing date during its May 13 meeting.

Comments

knolls 5 years, 11 months ago

maybe they should lose there right to sell for more than a few days more like a couple of months then they might be more careful the next time.

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freeman 5 years, 11 months ago

they should lose there license for the same amouny of time ANYBODY ELSE WOULD FOR A LIQUOR VIOLATION .BUT,,THIS IS CRAIG COLORADO?????

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freeman 5 years, 11 months ago

they should lose there license for the same amount of time ANYBODY ELSE WOULD FOR A LIQUOR VIOLATION .BUT,,THIS IS CRAIG COLORADO?????

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Globe 5 years, 11 months ago

Knolls and Freeman,

Ok lets put this in perspective --  The "moles" that they use to "entrap" these businesses are 19-20 years old and look like they are going on 30.  I am in my late 20 and look like I am 12 and I get carded EVERY time I go anywhere here in Craig. Next, are we actually talking about a major offense against society or a really crappy law.  Does anyone remember when the the LAW use to say it was perfectly fine for anyone 19 years of age to drink?  We can debate all night the fact that we send 18,19, and 20 year old young men and women off to fight and die for our FREEDOM, but you can't have a beer in the land of the free.  EVERY country we send our troops to they can drink.  We send them to Germany and they drink, we send them to Japan and they can drink, we send them to Panama and they can get a case of Corona for $4 and all they need to do is show them their CMS or CIS student ID.  These business didn't sell to minors they sold to people under the age of 21.  BIG DEAL.   Next, you must both forget that when you are 17-20 and drink, no amount of ID checks will keep you from drinking it will just keep you from drinking in public (out of sight out mind huh?).  Also, you must foreget that when you are 17 -20 you spend half your time trying to figure out how to get some hooch and the other half of your time on some deserted county road getting your drink on.

At any rate - You both seem to be morons and should maybe step out of the shadow of political pandoring and the brainwashing of stupid social police and step into the 21st century.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Globe-We don't care what other countries do. We have to live with the laws of this country. The law says 21 and those who do not check this should be fined and the stores that continually fail the compliance checks should lose their liquor license for more that 10 days.

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freeman 5 years, 11 months ago

Globe - The thing that you have not taken into consideration is that when our troops are over seas they are not driving on the highway with you or me. This is one of the main reasons the law changed from 18 to 21 in most states to reduce the number of inexperienced drunk drivers. Every year more kids 17-20 years old die or even worse kill someone else drunk driving. The law may indicate that you are considered an adult at age 18 but even still in todays society we see 28 year olds acting like they are 12. Drinking and driving, fighting, speeding, disorderly conduct, and just plain immature. I believe an 18 year old going into the military is the same as an 18 year old going to college - trying to better themselves - its the peer pressure that makes them drink. As for the establishments that sell alcohol, the laws are in place for a reason. However the punishments for breaking those laws are the issue and if someone breaks the law they should be punished to learn the difference between right and wrong, obviously these establishments did NOT learn their lessons and a second offense should be punished more severely. It seems to me maybe you have had either trouble with the law or drinking or both. Don't bring the troops into this because of your oblivious personal opions.

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Globe 5 years, 11 months ago

Yes they told you that driving 55 verus 65 would save gas but it was all a sham. Driving 55 does almost nothing to save gas versus driving 65. There has been numerous publication on the matter how it makes almost no difference in fuel efficiency. They realized it was a sham law and they changed it - just like most of the world realizes it is stupid to put a drinking age at 21. Everyone except us - This is another example of our law makers wanting to be a moral police. Prostitution, gambling, and drinking all occur they are just forced to occur out of sight. As long as it is out of sight most "good" citizens are happy. The fact that businesses served to people under the age of 21 shoves it in to the spotlight where our moral citizens get all in an up roar. Keep it in the dark and off main street and people like you are just fine. We have two standards in this country and it is the hypocrit that supports it.

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Globe 5 years, 11 months ago

So with your line of thinking the LAW was correct in saying that it is not safe to drive over 55 in the interstate is that correct? Because 25 years ago some quack law maker decided that it was unsafe to drive over 55, but someone with more than two brain cells said this law is stupid, and decided to increase it to 75 mph. Results? no increase in trafic fatalities. The same goes with the drinking age! I like also how you think that an "inexperienced drunk driver' is some how less safe than a drunk on the road who has been driving longer. Is a 21 year old drunk on the road safer than a 20 year old drunk on the road? That is the stupides argument I have ever heard and the whole county is now dumber for having heard it Freeman. Also, ALL of these establishments have practices and protocols about selling to underage people. They train staff and have consequences in place if a person under 21 is sold booze. There is no malice in any of their actions. Yes they are responsible for the actions of their employees, but the idea that they should be punished for an indiscretion is stupid. A good example of this is a truck company having to pay the speeding ticket of a trucker (who works for them) who breaks the law and gets a speeding ticket. They aren't penalized for this infraction, the person who commited the infraction is guilty, not the business. And I will bring the Freedoms of our military abroad into th argument because it is relevant to the issue. You are right that our troops aren't driving on our highways, but they are driving million dollar machines and firing weapons on other people's highways. It sounds to me that both Granny and Freeman don't want personal accountability. It is not the establishment it is the person that sold the booze. Both of your arguments don't hold water. Stupid laws are usually upheld by stupid people.

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Globe-The laws that were put into place in the 70's concerning the 55 mph speed limit were because this country had a severe gas shortage. You get better gas mileage when you drive 55 than when you drive 75. Read my post again. I stated that those who sold liquor to kids under 21 should be fined. Stores that don't demand a mandatory ID check for all liquor sales should be fined. Kids in the military are still U.S. citizens and more than that they are representatives of this country. They know that when they sign up. They don't sign up so they can go overseas and get loaded. You sound like a 20 year old who is upset that he can't drink legally.

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freeman 5 years, 11 months ago

WOW,,did not think that such a simple comment would throw you so far off track.i believe what people are trying to say is the person/persons who owns the business is responsible for what ever happens with there business,,in my opinion..now as far as a vehicle is concerned,when you are driving on the road and a passenger throws a object out the window,,,,who is responsible for there actions.THE PERSON WHO IS IN CONTROL,,,,RIGHT,,, Also talking of training the employees,all business owners always should train the people the way they want it to run,specially where alcohol is concerned.Agreed,with todays society it most definitly hard to control the results of the workers and the way they act????But never the less, as you get older you will have more experince with society and laws,and im sure you will start to understand things alot better....

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Globe 5 years, 11 months ago

Just admit that I am right and we'll call it a day. Your car example is stupid too. Granny - Driving 55 versus driving 75 results in less than 2% fuel saving with cars in the 1970s. Style of driving (i.e. jack rabit starts, agressive acceleration, etc) has more to do with fuel efficiency than how fast you drive. Obviously Granny isn't old enough to remember the "Stay alive - Drive 55" adds on TV. Simple fact - some idiot said it saved fuel and lives and not until SCIENCE proved it be be a load of crap was it repealed. Granny I have no idea what your point is about our soldiers being U.S. citizens - No crap! Ya thnk? Both Granny and Freeman are very nieve to the fact that adult age 18-20 who drink do so whether a bar or liquor store sells to them or not - If you don't believe that you are fooling yourself. What the F does more expeience with society and laws mean? That has to be the dumbest comment I have ever heard. I grew up in Texas where they have drive through liquor barns where you can buy a shot and a beer right through the window of your car. My grand pa is 84 and has been smoking since he was 12 and had his first beer when he was 13. He isn't an alcoholic and he never killed anyone on the road. Everyone from his generation (Thats the GREATEST GENERATION TO EVER LIVE) will tell you that it is stupid that you have to wait until you are 21 to have a beer. It is a select few politicians who cave to the influence of lobyists who make laws not the sensible majority of people who know that this law is stupid. Take a cross sectional poll of the people (outside your religious right wing church groups) and you will see the VAST majority feel just as I do. You belief its ok to send a young man off to protect our freedom, but we should throw him or anyone who sells him a beer into jail for crimes against society is stupid at best. Simple fact Fine the employee who sold the booze and not the owner of the establishment - Case Closed.

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Globe 5 years, 11 months ago

Oh one other thing, did the under 21 people who purchased the booze get cited for an MIP? If the law is so conrete they should have been cited for under age possesion of the booze shouldn't they?

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grannyrett 5 years, 11 months ago

Globe-You must be to young to remember the 70's. There was an oil embargo against the U.S. in 1973. The conflict between Israel and the Arab countries caused the Arab countries to place an embargo against the U.S. because we were one of Israel's allies. If you care to inform yourself, Google "gas shortages 70's". The Stay Alive-Drive 55 slogan came to be because more people survived a crash going 55 mph than they did going 65mph. I remember the gas lines. There used to be at least 5 or 6 gas stations along Victory Way between Fortification Creek and Ranny Street. There were one or two West of Ranny.

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slipknot 5 years, 11 months ago

This whole thing reeks of entrapment. But, I have a limited, very focused view of MoCo law enforcement, it's why I moved out of Moffat County. They (local LE) will never stop hitting the weak spots until the weak spots are eliminated. The people who live outside of Moffat County and do business there, do so generally, only because they have to. They're tied to another business or firm that requires they do so. I only go to Craig because I enjoy some time in Steamboat and then only in the winter and it's on the way to Wyoming and I have friends in Craig and the immediate surrounding area. I know that in the opinion of many, Craig is a beautiful area, but it also carries the label of Meth Capital of Colorado and Mafia County due only to law enforcement and the way local government runs things. Maybe things have changed since I left 12 years ago, but judging by the way your DA works, the number of vendors caught in an underage booze sales sting, and the number of people in the jail and the low voter turnout, it appears the only that has changed is the population.

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hunter 5 years, 11 months ago

Globe,

Your arguments are ridiculous. Try and justify it however you want. There are many goood reasons for the drinking age to be 21. Many have been presented to you. The simple fact is: yes there are idiots like you who spent thier teenage years drinking out on the county road or where ever else you managed to get it. But there are more kids who have better self control and confidence in this world. There are many kids who simply do not drink because it is against the law. This means that the the along with decent families is a deturrent to drinking. In addition to the drinking and driving issue there are many other things that happen when under the influence of alochol. In fact a recent report found that teenagers who drink are 8 times more likely to become victims of crime, 14 times more likely to contract an STD and also more likely to die in an automobile crash than those who do not drink. With drinking comes many other negative things that ruin our society. Your attitude is sad, it clearly demonstrats that you have no contact with youth nor do you worry about theeffects that alochol has on them. One major factor you missing is that hte drinking age change was pushed by huge amount science research. This research at the time was ground breaking. It had been long thought that the human brain was matured at puberty. Guess what new science came out proving that there was almost 20% of developemnt left at puberty and that the developement does not stop until into the very late teens or early 20s. Even with my so called 2 brain cells I know enough to realize that alochol and brain development isn ot a good mixture. your arguments are so full of holes it is ridiculous. Going to the military is a choice that individuals make. Just becasue they chose to do so does not mean they should not be held accountible to the law.

At any rate the businesses were in violation of the law and they should be punished.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

love the comments only one problem, quit calling each other names and stay on point. everyone here has them. I lost two very good friends in accidents in moffat county who were underage and drunk driving. We still drank. now I've raised three of my own. I kept them busy, I spent time with them and I talked to them. Family is where this should begin.freeman and slipknot your right as well. I did go overseas and drink I remember what it was like when they changed the drinking age. But really 2% in every car makes a big differance in the big picture. Moffat county is still the home of "come on vacation leave on probation." Law enforcement here uses it as a means of money for their self serving ways. On the other hand they are there when you need them.

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David Carrick 5 years, 11 months ago

50cal wrote:

Moffat county is still the home of "come on vacation leave on probation." Law enforcement here uses it as a means of money for their self serving ways.

I would like to suggest a bettter approach. Try this one: "Keep your nose clean, LE won't seem mean."

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

good one, if your on the payroll of the county or one of the big names in the county that has the pull to do what you want and get away with it. Amazing that you can only pick up on the negitive. You must be in law enforcement.

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David Carrick 5 years, 11 months ago

Actually, no. Just an average citizen. I didn't mean that comment to be toward you, as your post was generally positive...and I agree with most of it. Many posters, though, gripe and whine and paint LE as monsters (and yes, there can be some of those), without also expressing the need to simply choose to live within the law.

I learned (living within the law, rather than always railing against it) that growing up. Is that still taught?

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

So I would take it that a kid in steamboat who defends himself against a racist and gets brought up on charges is no different than a meth head who kills another driver after he comes down off his high and falls asleep. My family has faced a similar problem in craig. Yes my kids are a minority. Hire a lawyer spend alot of money and see the cop in Kmart after its all done with a swastika tattooed on his arm and tell me about keep your nose clean. Truth is that if the DA can plea bargin a deal and keep the money local than they will if it looks like the plea bargin isn't going to work and the money will go to the dept. of corrections then they drop the charges. So we keep our noses real clean.

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David Carrick 5 years, 11 months ago

Sorry for the pain...CAN happen anywhere...all too often does...still, not everyone in LE is that way...and still, to keep one's nose clean is the right thing to do.

How does that saying go: It's never wrong to do the right thing, nor right to do the wrong.

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taxslave 5 years, 11 months ago

About LE....I've been here over 30 yrs. I've been pulled over now and then for this or that, nothing really big. I've either been let go with a warning or received a deferrment from the City Attorney...(speeding). Never charged....because I was not "drinking". if you're drinking you're toast...if you're not, well, they're pretty darn decent in my book.

When the lights start flashing behind you there really isn't much to fear UNLESS you are drinking. If you're drinking, forget about it, just hand over your license. Don't even waste your money for an attorney, the results will be the same except you'll be out a lot more bucks for the lawyer.

The post about family is correct. Teach your children well.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

Sorry DL. that was a bit snippy. I've just seen both sides of it. Like I said though family is where it starts and I really do beleave thats where showing young people how to grow up and take responcable actions starts.

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David Carrick 5 years, 11 months ago

Right on, 50cal. Isn't it sad, though, the number of folks around that, regardless of the home-teaching that did NOT take place, and regardless of the totally improper things the kids then do, it still so often becomes someone else's fault, not their kid, and nearly a conspiracy against them.

I appreciate your last post!

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

I drive the roads of colorado every day. Like I said the local law enforcement is really good about responding to the needs of people, though sometimes the upper crust who make the decisions around here worry me. Just like in the military I respect the troops. The people out for political gain or financial gain no I don't.

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50cal 5 years, 11 months ago

DL. that s the problem its always someone elses fault so easy to blame the beer company or the liquer store or the bartender. Be a bartender on a busy night and see if everyone gets carded. Maybe the kids father should lite a fire under their kids butt and see how far it goes from there. Instead of looking for a lawsuit so the family can become instant millionaire. I would surely watch very carefully if I was selling liquer but I sure hate to see people lose their livelyhood over a sting operation. That hasn't happened yet but it could.

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lonelyone 5 years, 11 months ago

You know we harped on this the last time they did the liquor check and the point is, they can not use someone who is of legal drinking age, because then they did nothing wrong. If they are going to check to see if one of the businesses is selling to minors, they have to use a minor. I am pretty sure said minor is then to take the booze to the people who are running the sting to prove they got away with something or to walk away from the bar without taking a drink. It may seem out dated to some of you and entrapment as you like to hollar about, but come up with a better way of checking these places if you can and go to the police department with your ideas. I can almost bet that those of you who think this is wrong will be one of the first to bitch of some underage kids dies from drunk driving......."why the hell aren't they checking to make sure they are old enough??"

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