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29 May 2012 at 8:44 a.m.
Why are tax-payer funded school buses being used to display partisan campaign slogans?
29 May 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
Yeah, same here. What is going on with that?
29 May 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
Because no one in a decision-making role has enough smarts to realize that is inappropriate. I want a partial rebate on the portion of my taxes that paid for those buses.
Here's another sign-related issue. My husband and I brought signs to hopefully draw national attention to the problems associated with the sick nuclear weapons compensation program. One said “Help Sick Nuke Workers”, the other “Justice for Sick Nuke Workers”. The campaign folks wanted to see what the signs said. We showed it to them. We weren't allowed to bring them into the park and had to leave them up against the building. We were told no signs would be allowed. We were ok with that, if it was applied to everyone. However, we saw three signs on a table and about three more people carrying their signs. I went back and asked the Romney official about why and basically just got shrugged shoulders in response. I asked if I could take our signs in, since others are and were told no. I don't know if political rallies are permitted to limit the types of signs but this did take place in a public area. Anyone who knows the answer, I'd love to know.
29 May 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
The political signage on school buses is an interesting question. Depends if they rented the buses or not, but I think that is for transportation only; not posting signs on the buses to support a partisan event.
Would punt that one over to Mathers, Gray or Danner with the MOCO Commissioners office.
Taxpayer funds were going to be used to pay overtime for city employees, at least according to Saturday's CDP and it is a public park and not a private paid event; seems very unfortunate on the Romney staff side to be clueless, but most campaign workers on all sides are clueless about the First Amendment and free speech when it comes to political rallies. Arg!
29 May 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
I am pretty sure they rented the buses from the school district to transport the mine workers who came in. This was done at 20 Mile's expense I believe… Unless the campaign paid for it, which actually wouldn't suprise me.
29 May 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
I just found this slide show on the Denver Post website. Looks like a lot of people were allowed to bring their signs to the rally. http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacen…
See slides 1, 5, 7, 11 and 14.
I would like the Romney campaign to explain why our two signs were not deemed to be acceptable to display at the rally. I wish I could upload the picture of our signs. Nothing offensive in them at all unless asking for justice is offensive.
29 May 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
Where is the 2000 people estimate coming from? Didn't look like there was anywhere near that many people there.
Can anyone give me a link(s) to the EPA Administrative rules, White House and Congressional records that show what the current and past POTUS' is/were doing to take away coal jobs?
29 May 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
The buses were rented. I believe the signs were put up by the workers who came on the buses. If we can stop having kittens over these things and focus on the fact that our economy is in shambles, there may just be hope for this country yet. I don't hear any Dems crying and whining about Obama using taxpayer money to traipse around on his campaign trips, or using taxpayer money to send his family off on expensive vacations. But, oh my god…if we think taxpayer money is going to pay for security and crowd control at a Republican candidate's event, it's the end of the world. I love that Romney came to our corner of the state. Not only does it give us a chance to participate in a rare and unique part of the democratic system, but it also provides hours of entertainment watching the local Democrats having conniption fits over every little thing.
29 May 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
Sage Sam — were you actually there, or are you basing your “sage” comment on the photos? I was there, and I'm pretty sure it was much more than 2000 people.
29 May 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
Nope, I was there. Didn't seem like there was anywhere near that many people crammed in the park.
29 May 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
I was towards the back, standing on a table to try to see. It was pretty packed. The line to get in was at least three blocks long, and that was after they had been admitting people for a while. Still — 2000 people on a work day in an area as rural as ours…not bad.
29 May 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
My guess was around 800 or so, but I suppose it could have been more. I was just wondering if that was the estimate from the police or the campaign. I expect a campaign to inflate figures some, since that's their job.
However, I'm just basing it on what I've experienced at crowded concerts.
29 May 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
800 is way too low. The first 1300 people were supposed to be able to stand in a special section closer to the stage. That section was full and closed off way before I got there, and the rest of the grounds were packed, too. Did you see the guys from the mine? There were 200 of them from Twentymile, alone (that's who rented the buses), and I saw a huge number of people who weren't miners.
29 May 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
Great having Mitt Romney stop in today……. he brought up several points that show why we need a change in leadership. Great job Twentmile coal for busing their employees down in support of Governor Romney. Nice to see in person the next President of the USA! Hats off also to Frank and Kerri Moe for caring so much about their community and what they believe.
29 May 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
I have to commend the Moe's for contacting the Romney campaign to get Romney to come to our corner of the state. It appears as if Romney may have some compasion for our concerns over energy production and the regulation that has gone on, not only under Obama's administration, but let us not forget Ritter's administration for really clamping down on the energy industry in Western Colorado. I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't believe Craig, or even Western Colorado, will get a visit from Obama himself. I didn't get to see the speech in person but have heard many good things. Let's see if those things come to fruition after November.
29 May 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
Justiceortruth, here is the link. http://epa.gov/carbonpollutionstandar… The EPA has proposed regulations, and Obama supports them, that would essentially make it impossible for any new coal power plants to be built. They have basically decided to eliminate the entire coal industry in the United States over the long term. As the New York Times said, “The Obama administration’s proposed rule to control greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants — the first ever — could go far toward closing out the era of old-fashioned coal-burning power generation.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/sci… Obama is no friend to the coal industry.
29 May 2012 at 4:50 p.m.
He said nothing substantive - just a bunch of platitudes and pandering.
29 May 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
I don't have a problem arguing the effects of state and federal regulations on coal-fired power plants in regard to increased costs to providers and consumers, job losses due to conversion of existing plants from coal to natural gas, and the overall effect on the state's generating capacity due to the amount of costs required to bring a new facility online.
The nonstop propaganda and half-truths, however, wear me out to no end.
The biggest one lately is that if the EPA has its way the coal mines are all gonna shut down. Really? Because we're the only country in the world using coal? Even if the feds clamp down on coal (not likely), the coal mines are safe because they're still going to have customers.
Two big potential customers come to mind in India and China. China still doesn't have enough coal to power the Pullman Towns that make all the cheap crap we buy from Wal-Mart on a daily basis, and India has ravenous consumer demand for coal as well. As an added bonus selling our coal to the Chinese gives us a chance to bend them over the same barrel they've had us bent over for 25 years.
29 May 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
Buff_bronc_fan -Buses were used as crowd comtrol. Small town small budget, cost saving measure3canines - will send you $12.00 for use of bus cost youjusticeortruth - it is ok to pay overtime for bear removal, Grand Old West Days, Whittle of the Woods, or any other event in Craig other than a presidential campaign visit?satorifound - You have no clue - not everyone lives off the goverment - some stand on their own
29 May 2012 at 9:40 p.m.
Tip my cap to Mitt - if he wants to drive to NW Colorado for a campaign stop and happens to get a photo op with one of the school buses then that's fine with me.
I just probably wouldn't have let the buses be used at a political campaign event if I were running the bus garage.
29 May 2012 at 11:15 p.m.
JD…my point was not questioning the public funds being used, but hey let's do that as well. I was just questioning the limiting of signs the campaign didn't want to be seen. The point is that the event was held in a public park and a dubbed a public gathering, no one, even if you don't like what their signs may say shoud be held back because the campaign staff was uncomfortable with the First Amendment.
I have never been comfortable with the party the Parks & Rec puts on AKA 'Whittle The Woods' especially because it does so little to pay for itself.
30 May 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
Someone should have glittered bombed him again.
I couldn't hold up my signs because I have too many of them.
But the most important one said something like this….
“It was a good attempt Mitt….Mr. Obama thanks you for your congratulations on his winning of a second term in the White House”.
4 years from now Mitt may have a chance but not this time around!!!!
Barack, Barack, Barack…!!!!
30 May 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
jd- where did I say everyone lived off the government? I had a pretty basic statement there and I don't see where you would get that. I wasn't even pro or con. *shrug* A bit defensive?
30 May 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
More paranoia from Moffat County. I remember several years ago when Obama was elected, much of Moffat County had conspiracy theories on how Obama was going to take away everyone’s guns. 3.5 years later and Obama has done absolutely nothing to limit your Second Amendment rights. These fears over shutting down coal mines and power plants are the same thing—just an excuse to do some fear mongering to rally people behind your cause even though there is absolutely no imminent threat of Moffat and Routt’s coal mines being shut down. The same commissioners and candidates are trying to contend Obama is shutting down oil and gas development. Yet despite what the “no restrictions” alarmists are saying, domestic oil and gas development has increased under Obama. But these folks never let facts bother them, so why now, right?
If you disagree, please tell me which specific Obama regulations have cost Moffat County jobs. I find your contentions that Obama hates coal quite funny given that the mines in NW CO are HIRING people right now.
You all are going to vote for Romney anyway. Good for you. But I have call BS on the “Obama is shutting down coal” scare tactics.
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